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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But I do not want the cop to be fined, just for him to pay for the damages (or the police force). He also does not have to be fired, just reprimanded and warned not to do it again.

    And mostly injuries sustained by arrested individuals are totally down to their own actions but sometimes officers go way to far and go beyond the reasonable violence needed for a safe arrest, that alone should be open for lawsuits. Breaking a finger because you struggled so hard that you broke it due to your own struggling then sorry, no lawsuit allowed against the police officer.

    Now if that officer broke your finger after you were in cuffs then yes, that would be a case in which a lawsuit against that officer should be filed.

    It all has to do with reasonable behavior. The behavior of the officer in this video might have been understandable (based on the stress officer might go through) but what this officer did was not right IMHO and that should mean paying for the damages and a warning/suspension for a few days at most.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Why this is an issue:
    1. For discussion purposes.
    That's fine for us, but I am pretty sure that the Marshall service isn't monitoring DP for our advice on how to manage their Deputies....

    2. So that the next time a cop considers doing something similar they realize that it will have serious consequences.
    Oh yeah, I'm sure that police forces all over the nation are tuning into DP to see what we have to say about their officers....They're shakin in their boots I tell ya....

    I don't know about the cop's motive, but smashing a phone or camera appears to be an attempt to destroy evidence, most likely evidence of he cop's misconduct. It also may show an inability to control his anger. I would probably suspend him without pay for a couple of months unless there was some significant evidence that justifies his behavior.
    Based on the limited information we know in here, this is somewhat reasonable...Other factors would have to come into play of course...Does this Marshall have a record of complaints of mistreatment of suspects? has he done this sort of thing before? How long has he been a Marshall? Just what was the woman saying to him as he tried to do his job? Like I have been saying, to take a snippet in time from the total incident and ongoing operation being preformed only serves on purpose, and that is to continue the narrative that police are out of control from the media...I'm just saying that you have to take stuff like this with a grain of salt, and not be played.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Agreed 100%
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's assault, by a police officer.
    Possibly, that would have to be investigated, and determined legally by a court....You don't get to make that call.

    why didn't the other officers arrest him?
    Wait a minute...So, the other officers that had a group of suspects detained up against a wall being searched for weapons were supposed to what, say "ok guy's time out, we have to arrest Deputy idiot over here, now be still while we do that"? Are you serious? That could be a skit on SNL Rev...Really....

    why did the officer have a problem being filmed?
    Could be many possible reasons...He could have been part of a gang taskforce and didn't want his picture out there for id purposes, he could have received death threats in the past, his family could be in danger if people identify him...There are many reasons....And yes, he could have been doing something wrong, or the woman taunting them with the cell phone cam could have just said something that set him off at the moment....who knows? But I do know this, our pontifications on what this guy should have done after the fact, and what his punishment should be for any crime if any, should be is beyond dumb....This is a clear case of media manipulation nothing more....We shouldn't fall for it....
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You see, conservatives and social democrats can agree on issues. Just because I am a liberal does not mean my common sense has "left the buidling" .
    Never thought so Pete...We disagree on many issues, but you are one of the smarter, well thought out posters in here....Often if I have to debate you, I know I better have my argument clear....
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    initially his actions look fairly indefensible, however, it's pretty obviously clipped. We will see what fully comes out.

    In the meantime, those who rush to jump on the cop are operating in as much dark as those who rush to defend him.
    What defense is possible to justify an officer destroying the private property of a citizen? Did the officer feel threatened by the camera? Did the officer arrest the person holding (wielding?) the camera?
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What defense is possible to justify an officer destroying the private property of a citizen?
    None, but that is for the review to determine....

    Did the officer feel threatened by the camera?
    Possibly...More likely, with adrenaline pumping, and the lady's taunts in his ear, he snapped.

    Did the officer arrest the person holding (wielding?) the camera?
    I don't think so...None of the articles mentioned any repercussions to the woman other than the assault, and breaking of her phone.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    None, but that is for the review to determine....



    Possibly...More likely, with adrenaline pumping, and the lady's taunts in his ear, he snapped.



    I don't think so...None of the articles mentioned any repercussions to the woman other than the assault, and breaking of her phone.
    That review should be done by a jury (or at least a judge) after the officer is charged with a crime - not some goofy union arbitration to decide if he should get a stern talking to. Rest assured that if the woman had destroyed the officer's property then she would face criminal charges.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Possibly, that would have to be investigated, and determined legally by a court....You don't get to make that call.



    Wait a minute...So, the other officers that had a group of suspects detained up against a wall being searched for weapons were supposed to what, say "ok guy's time out, we have to arrest Deputy idiot over here, now be still while we do that"? Are you serious? That could be a skit on SNL Rev...Really....



    Could be many possible reasons...He could have been part of a gang taskforce and didn't want his picture out there for id purposes, he could have received death threats in the past, his family could be in danger if people identify him...There are many reasons....And yes, he could have been doing something wrong, or the woman taunting them with the cell phone cam could have just said something that set him off at the moment....who knows? But I do know this, our pontifications on what this guy should have done after the fact, and what his punishment should be for any crime if any, should be is beyond dumb....This is a clear case of media manipulation nothing more....We shouldn't fall for it....

    Wait, the media is at fault for this jack boot's actions? I think I don't understand your position.


    Under what circumstances is it legal for anyone, including government agents to take and destroy anothers property without due process? What law permits grabbing a cell phone out of ones hand smashing and kicking it?


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What defense is possible to justify an officer destroying the private property of a citizen?
    like I said, initially his actions look fairly indefensible - the situations that would justify or partly justify his actions are fairly rare. But I can think of several instances in which I or a police officer would have been justified in doing so. If we caught you taking pictures of our patrol ttps, our routes, etc., for example, we took the camera out of hand. That's a somewhat different scenario, but the rule remains - information can indeed be a threat, and you are justified in protecting yourself from a threat.

    Did the officer feel threatened by the camera?
    It's not impossible. It's simply not likely.

    Did the officer arrest the person holding (wielding?) the camera?
    Not a bad question.
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