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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    That is mainstream news??!! My dog pissed on my neighbors leg, wanna se a video?
    Celebrity gossip makes mainstream news. This story at least involves police engaged in misconduct, which if YOU were on the receiving end would be a big deal to you. That you don't care because it happened to someone else is your own problem.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Gee.....I had this conversation Monday with a veteran VPD.

    Respect. It is key. This force is very good, polite, respectful of their 'clients' usually no matter what. They make mistakes. In the old days, they would all band together and try to protect their buddy.

    Now, since the Robert Dziekanski murder by RCMP, police here realize one or two ass holes cost them their respect. During the cover up and trial cops in this province could not do their jobs, people flocked to any call out, cameras rolling to catch them tasering someone to death. Writing a speeding ticket became a trip to Danta's inferno as cops had to try to write it out while listening to a sting of vindictives along the lines of "hurry up killer, you're late for another muder"..all cops, not just RCMP.

    This was a case of assault. It happens. Take the cop, charge him, fine him and then send him for some training that explains that video of what cops are doing clears them more often than the other way around. And the maladjusted prick might also learn that anymore, everyone is a camera and the more you try to destroy the evidence of your wrongdoing the more videos of you doing there will be.

    When you get away from the secret blue shield, you actually get very good policing.

    For the record I have been arrested six times, for as a peace demonstrator and two as a journalist in what they tried to say was the wrong place. Each time in the US I came away with a complete disgust and disrespect for American law enforcement.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There you go, and I would even back assault charges on the Marshall if indeed there was no prior warning to get back from police....Lord knows if cops arrest you and they hurt their little pinky nail doing so they charge you with assault on a LEO....So, yeah, I'll concede that maybe charges should be filed, but if the woman doesn't do that, then NOTHING will happen, and NO crime is reported here.
    But I do not want the cop to be fined, just for him to pay for the damages (or the police force). He also does not have to be fired, just reprimanded and warned not to do it again.

    And mostly injuries sustained by arrested individuals are totally down to their own actions but sometimes officers go way to far and go beyond the reasonable violence needed for a safe arrest, that alone should be open for lawsuits. Breaking a finger because you struggled so hard that you broke it due to your own struggling then sorry, no lawsuit allowed against the police officer.

    Now if that officer broke your finger after you were in cuffs then yes, that would be a case in which a lawsuit against that officer should be filed.

    It all has to do with reasonable behavior. The behavior of the officer in this video might have been understandable (based on the stress officer might go through) but what this officer did was not right IMHO and that should mean paying for the damages and a warning/suspension for a few days at most.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The reports are that the woman had exchanged words with the officers present. As of yet, we don't know what was said so we can't be certain there was no warning
    Even if there was a warning, I am not sure the police is allowed to force someone to not video what happens on the street. And if it was, they should have arrested her and taken her camera as evidence, what the officer did here was uncalled for and I would assume also not legal.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon F&L - you have a different perspective, as do others, and I respect that.
    You will like this, walking with two cops I know at the pot fair Monday, a young man looks at them and says "Hi, sir" and salutes. I found it rude and unnecessary so said "see ya" and peeled off on the kid. Had a brief talk and told him about some of the things I have seen and asked "if an armed group raided us right now for all the $ and dope [in the hundreds of thousands] whose lives would be on the line?"

    It takes knowing what cops really do, not the weekly "who ya gonna call" bull**** on TV. People need to know that those uniforms mean safety and protection, are not a threat. They need to know that the most serious threat to a street cop is no where near being shot, but seriously injured by a "disturbed individual" off his meds and thinking he's the new messiah come the reap souls. They need to know just how many times a day they get called to pick an addict out of the gutter, or come to the aid of a mental health patient addled and confused and find some safety for them and somehow manage to keep relatively normal lives. Let's face it, the things cops and I had in common, was being mis-understood and hated, and the fact that when either of us showed up unexpectedly you knew your were going to have a bad day or many.

    the kid and I had a great chat, he was stoned as hell and I figure he went off to enlist.

    What was really the greatest treat was how my VPD interacted with the crowd, many agreeing that the **** should be legal.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well he should be fired.
    Fired? He had a firearm. Stole something that was capturing evidence. And stole. If i had a gun and stole someones cellphone, then destroyed it. Id be in prison. Imagine what the same cop is willing to do, late at night when he catches someone he has disdain for in an alleyway and there is zero witnesses. These are the cops that shoot people because they know noone is watching. If I was a judge id want this cop doing at least 5 years in prison for misusing his position and tarnishing the image of cops who require public trust.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Fired? He had a firearm. Stole something that was capturing evidence. And stole. If i had a gun and stole someones cellphone, then destroyed it. Id be in prison. Imagine what the same cop is willing to do, late at night when he catches someone he has disdain for in an alleyway and there is zero witnesses. These are the cops that shoot people because they know noone is watching. If I was a judge id want this cop doing at least 5 years in prison for misusing his position and tarnishing the image of cops who require public trust.
    That's part of the problem. Cops have operated above the law for quite some time, and while there are many many good cops, there is very little done to actually punish bad cops. And cop that protects a bad cop is not a good cop and we need only good cops.

    We'll see where this goes, but likely nothing will come of it because we do not punish our police when they exercise gross force against innocent people.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You will like this, walking with two cops I know at the pot fair Monday, a young man looks at them and says "Hi, sir" and salutes. I found it rude and unnecessary so said "see ya" and peeled off on the kid. Had a brief talk and told him about some of the things I have seen and asked "if an armed group raided us right now for all the $ and dope [in the hundreds of thousands] whose lives would be on the line?"

    It takes knowing what cops really do, not the weekly "who ya gonna call" bull**** on TV. People need to know that those uniforms mean safety and protection, are not a threat. They need to know that the most serious threat to a street cop is no where near being shot, but seriously injured by a "disturbed individual" off his meds and thinking he's the new messiah come the reap souls. They need to know just how many times a day they get called to pick an addict out of the gutter, or come to the aid of a mental health patient addled and confused and find some safety for them and somehow manage to keep relatively normal lives. Let's face it, the things cops and I had in common, was being mis-understood and hated, and the fact that when either of us showed up unexpectedly you knew your were going to have a bad day or many.

    the kid and I had a great chat, he was stoned as hell and I figure he went off to enlist.

    What was really the greatest treat was how my VPD interacted with the crowd, many agreeing that the **** should be legal.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Canadian cops are not American cops.
    No and Vancouver cops are not Canadian cops, necessarily but one most respected by the people they serve. I believe our chief, Jimmy Chew, is breaking new ground in community policing.

    The result being we are a port city with about the lowest crime rate in the world.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I give you that...So reprimand the cop...Does this really need an entire thread other than to continue the smear of police today?
    Why this is an issue:
    1. For discussion purposes
    2. So that the next time a cop considers doing something similar they realize that it will have serious consequences.

    I don't know about the cop's motive, but smashing a phone or camera appears to be an attempt to destroy evidence, most likely evidence of he cop's misconduct. It also may show an inability to control his anger. I would probably suspend him without pay for a couple of months unless there was some significant evidence that justifies his behavior.
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