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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    there are plenty of US Marshall or Police jobs that are action-oriented. That being said, he made his own decision and apparently his superior is good with it.

    Of all the things to descend to, bitching about a dude having a beard untrimmed to your liking is pretty petty.

    The allowance for special operations to grow beards and later some regular forces was due to the culture in those areas of the middle east. Getting all decked out in tactical gear with your tactical beards, you are playing that which you are not among US citizens.

    It's not professional.

    Not that petty, it goes to the "cops go into battle" "we are warriors fighting a war" ill mentality that is pervasive in modern policing.


    No, I made an analogous argument, and you first tried to strawman, and then tried to turn it into a statistical argument, which you did poorly.

    You apparently are simply not concerned with integrity. you infered with your "analogy" that police work was dangerous, I proved you wrong. that's it, there it is, end or story.....
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I am. I LOVE that videos like this surface. It's kinda like the gun debate, though. One bad gun owner does something stupid, and everyone rallies around that, and says we need tougher gun laws, more gun laws, less gun owners, etc etc etc.

    Too often, threads like this take an OUTLIER, and paints the entire team with that brush. And I'm tired of it. I'm tired of people saying our police force sucks, and needs to be fixed, needs to have the screws put to them, etc. Because it's simply not true.

    Yeah, we have a few bad apples, and thanks to technology, those bad apples are getting a LOT of attention. So address THOSE people, don't smear the entire force. Fire the bad cops, cancel their pension, and hire better replacements.
    Ok, fair enough. I cannot control how others perceive me, and I know that some polar opposite of me will always believe I'm "anti-cop", but I try to not come off that way. I know that most cops are decent people, and not directly bad cops*, but there are indeed bad cops out there and they need to be outed. Bringing attention to the bad cops does not automatically equal "cop bashing".

    *- I do struggle with the "thin blue line", though. I have a hard time reconciling otherwise good cops covering for outright bad cops.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The allowance for special operations to grow beards and later some regular forces was due to the culture in those areas of the middle east.
    Nah. Loosening the grooming standards has been a part of SOF since SOF. The "oh, ME Culture" thing just got thrown out there because it sounded good.

    Getting all decked out in tactical gear with your tactical beards, you are playing that which you are not among US citizens.
    Interesting. So you think that dudes responding to (say) armed rioters burning down (say) LA should do so in shiny blue suits with no body armor, and with 6-shooter snub-noses? Maybe batons? We wouldn't want to accidentally strip anyone of their social security number, after all.

    Or... possibly.... the use of tactical gear for tactical situations (say, when dealing with armed and violent or potentially violent criminals) doesn't actually mean that nobody around you ceases to be a US citizen?

    It's not professional.
    depends on your profession.

    Not that petty, it goes to the "cops go into battle" "we are warriors fighting a war" ill mentality that is pervasive in modern policing.
    In many localities, the lessons we learned in COIN could be very profitably applied. That is one of the problems with your stats game - you are attempting to apply national averages to local conditions when the two are wildly divergent.

    You apparently are simply not concerned with integrity. you infered with your "analogy" that police work was dangerous, I proved you wrong. that's it, there it is, end or story.....
    No - I inferred with my analogy that his logic was wrong, and you attempted to shift the debate to something you felt more comfortable with, but which you still used badly.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. If cops, but much more importantly prosecutors, and most important of all juries, find police actions in most such cases to be justified, then your perceptions are the ones lacking reality - not mine - and it's you who has to acknowledge the difference between what you perceive as reasonable and what the majority in our communities perceive as reasonable. Prosecutors and juries, based on the provisions of law, set the community standards for police action in such cases.
    I don't buy that. Someone posted this article from American Conservative. If people in Chicago submit 10,000 complaints about police misconduct and just 19 resulted in disciplinary action (0.19%), that's a problem. Would you be shocked to learn many residents don't respect cops in Chicago? If 99% of complaints in New Jersey aren't even INVESTIGATED, is that the kind of thing that generates mutual trust and respect? Give me a break.

    2. The balance of your post is the chicken/egg argument - which comes first. I'd suggest respecting the police and the role they play by obeying the law, following reasonable instructions from officers performing their duties, and parking your self-entitled "rights" agenda is the first change that needs to take place. That's what the vast majority of those silently sitting on the sidelines, minding their own business, and living their own lives do and expect others to do. The silent majority has no time for the loud mouths and the in your face rights advocates who want to coddle and protect the criminals and miscreants of society.
    There's nothing there to respond to except a dismissal of any complaint about cops' misbehavior.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Never said they didn't....
    Then why are you laughing at the prospect of them creating an app for people to videotape incidents where the rights of any citizen may be violated?
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post

    Note: The way she's holding the device and the loudness of the smash on the ground leads me to suspect it wasn't a cell phone, but as Today as reported a "camera".
    It was her cell phone

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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Nah. Loosening the grooming standards has been a part of SOF since SOF. The "oh, ME Culture" thing just got thrown out there because it sounded good.
    I'm speaking to the most recent reasons given.


    Interesting. So you think that dudes responding to (say) armed rioters burning down (say) LA should do so in shiny blue suits with no body armor, and with 6-shooter snub-noses? Maybe batons? We wouldn't want to accidentally strip anyone of their social security number, after all.
    I didn't say that at all.

    or... possibly.... the use of tactical gear for tactical situations (say, when dealing with armed and violent or potentially violent criminals) doesn't actually mean that nobody around you ceases to be a US citizen?

    Or whiny bitches with cameras MIRITE!!!!!?????


    depends on your profession.
    Police officer would require a upkept apperance.



    In many localities, the lessons we learned in COIN could be very profitably applied. That is one of the problems with your stats game - you are attempting to apply national averages to local conditions when the two are wildly divergent.

    d00d, nationwide, in 2013, 27 officers died. I don't care if it's Newark, NJ or the hamptons, 27 is a stupidly low number for 900,000 LEO's. and as far as that C3 policing, it's a specific tool, that works in specific areas, for specific circumstances and is nothing like pictures one gets when someong uses cool terms like "counter-insrugency".


    No - I inferred with my analogy that his logic was wrong, and you attempted to shift the debate to something you felt more comfortable with, but which you still used badly.

    you infered **** that wasn't true with your "analogy", I simply corrected your error witht he truth,
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Of all the recent police shootings that were in the news, how many were former military?

    No one said every cop abuses citizens.

    It's a false comparison. Cops are not at war, no matter how "mouthy" the rabble get towards them.






    He's playing that role, that he most likely never was a part of. it's a fantasy roll, that unfortunately places no LEO's as the "enemy".
    Just FYI, in the research I did, the estimates I saw put ex-militarily at about 25% -ish of the overall national police force, but with the wars ending and troops coming home, I've read about programs that are taking vets as a priority. Of 720 new federally funded new positions recently (not sure exact year) 680 were slated for vets. I suspect that the percentages on vets in the force will rise over the next several years.

    There is no doubt that military gear, tactics, like preemption, and culture have invaded police forces all over the country. While violent crime is going down, police related violence is on the rise.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Just FYI, in the research I did, the estimates I saw put ex-militarily at about 25% -ish of the overall national police force, but with the wars ending and troops coming home, I've read about programs that are taking vets as a priority. Of 720 new federally funded new positions recently (not sure exact year) 680 were slated for vets. I suspect that the percentages on vets in the force will rise over the next several years.

    There is no doubt that military gear, tactics, like preemption, and culture have invaded police forces all over the country. While violent crime is going down, police related violence is on the rise.


    Last I read it was 10% and deparments look for specific non combat military jobs to hire, they are worried about PTSD and **** like that, it was in military times, I will try to find it.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let me just say, from the short snippet of what happened that we saw, I do NOT condone the police officers actions, however, don't we have to ask ourselves why it is that outlets like NBC are pushing this meme...? I mean, you and others that can be so easily manipulated by a 10 second snip of footage, and a narrative need to back up a moment, and check why you are falling for this silliness.
    It probably has something to do with men being shot in the back while running away, and the incident being caught on video.

    But, that's just a guess, of course.

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