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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so then I'd have to ask is perfection achievable ? I think not...The best we can hope for is that the system works when situations happen.
    I would agree that perfection is not achievable. This is just my own opinion, but I think we could lower the rate from 4-5% down to 1%, if we were serious about it. I think 1% is probably the best we could ever realistically do. I do think, however, that we can do better... and should strive to do better when incidents become known.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You own your own business - what is the purpose of your haircut?


    To look professional so when I speak, or talk to existing or potential clients, I project a confident, well groomed, confident answer to thier problems.


    If I dressed like a military contractor, I don't think i'd be as successful.

    These officers are supposed to be professionals, scraggily facial hair is not professional.

    If you want an "Action job" with a little more danger and the ability to sport a goofy beard/goteae thing, be a bouncer.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I am saying that if only a minority of something is dangerous, but you interact with it many times, the danger represented is not the % of X that is dangerous, but % of X that is dangerous times the number of times you interact with it. As an analogy, if a very small minority of M&M's are poisonous, eating them by the handful is still a dangerous enterprise.



    No, I was using an analogy in an analogous way. You wanted to use statistics, and you did it poorly.



    Again you made an emotional argument, I corrected you with facts and statistics. Thanks for playing.


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    1. If cops, but much more importantly prosecutors, and most important of all juries, find police actions in most such cases to be justified, then your perceptions are the ones lacking reality - not mine - and it's you who has to acknowledge the difference between what you perceive as reasonable and what the majority in our communities perceive as reasonable. Prosecutors and juries, based on the provisions of law, set the community standards for police action in such cases.

    2. The balance of your post is the chicken/egg argument - which comes first. I'd suggest respecting the police and the role they play by obeying the law, following reasonable instructions from officers performing their duties, and parking your self-entitled "rights" agenda is the first change that needs to take place. That's what the vast majority of those silently sitting on the sidelines, minding their own business, and living their own lives do and expect others to do. The silent majority has no time for the loud mouths and the in your face rights advocates who want to coddle and protect the criminals and miscreants of society.


    Gee.....I had this conversation Monday with a veteran VPD.

    Respect. It is key. This force is very good, polite, respectful of their 'clients' usually no matter what. They make mistakes. In the old days, they would all band together and try to protect their buddy.

    Now, since the Robert Dziekanski murder by RCMP, police here realize one or two ass holes cost them their respect. During the cover up and trial cops in this province could not do their jobs, people flocked to any call out, cameras rolling to catch them tasering someone to death. Writing a speeding ticket became a trip to Danta's inferno as cops had to try to write it out while listening to a sting of vindictives along the lines of "hurry up killer, you're late for another muder"..all cops, not just RCMP.

    This was a case of assault. It happens. Take the cop, charge him, fine him and then send him for some training that explains that video of what cops are doing clears them more often than the other way around. And the maladjusted prick might also learn that anymore, everyone is a camera and the more you try to destroy the evidence of your wrongdoing the more videos of you doing there will be.

    When you get away from the secret blue shield, you actually get very good policing.

    For the record I have been arrested six times, for as a peace demonstrator and two as a journalist in what they tried to say was the wrong place. Each time in the US I came away with a complete disgust and disrespect for American law enforcement.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well I suppose if selling out the Republic and destroying this great experiment in freedom was the goal, that's the way to do it.
    Well, glad we agree, that the uber liberal left, anarchist, demo socialists, and alike that have been prominent throughout this Presidency is destroying the nation....
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I would agree that perfection is not achievable. This is just my own opinion, but I think we could lower the rate from 4-5% down to 1%, if we were serious about it. I think 1% is probably the best we could ever realistically do. I do think, however, that we can do better... and should strive to do better when incidents become known.
    Ok, I'm with ya there....By all means call for, and work towards a better system to call abusive cops out, and get them out....I'm all for it.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What the hell is that supposed to mean? Look, do I support Law Enforcement? Yes. Does that mean that I give them a free pass? No...So I don't know why you feel the need to attack me.



    Who said she had to go up to one of the cops there? That may have been one way, but if she felt uncomfortable, then she could go down to the police station, and file a complaint, and to the courthouse and file charges....

    And think about for a second what you are saying, she was bold enough to insert herself close enough to an ongoing police operation that involved danger, but the poor wilting flower is too meek to go file charges....pfft, not buying it.



    No quarrel with that statement, but you and I are not the judge.



    Really? So tell me, if no charges were filed, who is going to be prosecuted?



    Nope, sorry but you're wrong about that.



    Now, you are conflating what the SCOTUS was ruling on...It is true that the police are not a "pro active" agency. IOW, they are not there to predict, and conversely prevent crime from happening. That would be impossible. But, if you have an ongoing operation by police, then at that point they ARE tasked with public safety...Why do you think they block off things like hostage situations?
    You may not give them a free pass but you sure do spend a lot of time defending their breaking the law. And you started with the attacks first.

    Why should she have to file a complaint. Did the other officers not witness the crime. Plus if like you say cops have a duty to protect them shouldn't one have protected her from the assault from the first officer. Those cops standing their watching it happen are as big a part of the problem as the one who broke her camera.

    So by your logic if I kill someone and cover my tracks well enough that I am not charged than no crime happened. Do you not understand how crazy that sounds.

    Really you didn't make up the part that I would blame the police if she got shot by a stray bullet. Either you can just admit you did or I can quote you. Either way you most certainly did.

    Tell me how would her being back across the street, being protected by the police as you say, protect her at all. Is the bullet going to somehow stop in mid air once it crossed the curb. This had nothing to do with protecting her. They just didn't like her filming them. Plain and simple.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I'm with ya there....By all means call for, and work towards a better system to call abusive cops out, and get them out....I'm all for it.
    Here here!

    What needs to happen is cops need to start thinking that way.

    After years of issues, we are now having outside law agencies investigate reports. It is an imperfect solution, but appears to be allaying fears of cover ups, there are less complaints of bias when a cop is cleared
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, glad we agree, that the uber liberal left, anarchist, demo socialists, and alike that have been prominent throughout this Presidency is destroying the nation....
    There's lots of stuff that erodes our freedoms and weakens the Republic. The ultra-fascist, authoritarian, Big Brother, Big War, Big Debt statists that have been prominent throughout the past Presidency and the new GOP are amongst the most damaging.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    To look professional so when I speak, or talk to existing or potential clients, I project a confident, well groomed, confident answer to thier problems.

    If I dressed like a military contractor, I don't think i'd be as successful.

    These officers are supposed to be professionals, scraggily facial hair is not professional.

    If you want an "Action job" with a little more danger and the ability to sport a goofy beard/goteae thing, be a bouncer.
    there are plenty of US Marshall or Police jobs that are action-oriented. That being said, he made his own decision and apparently his superior is good with it.

    Of all the things to descend to, bitching about a dude having a beard untrimmed to your liking is pretty petty.

    Again you made an emotional argument, I corrected you with facts and statistics.
    No, I made an analogous argument, and you first tried to strawman, and then tried to turn it into a statistical argument, which you did poorly.
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