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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't say they do it for the "fun of it." And the problem of course is when they do get unnecessarily violent, they almost NEVER suffer any actual punishment and are even rarely subject to criminal penalties. Their fellow cops, the prosecutors and juries do what we see on here every day - if the person beaten didn't behave PERFECTLY, then the violence is justified.



    What I said was I'm self aware enough to know there is a big difference in how cops treat me and those like me and how they treat, say, inner city black kids. I'm certain the difference is night and day between my interactions and poor minorities in, say, NYC or Chicago. And that's especially true as our police become militarized.

    How many times you been stopped and frisked? How many white people in the theater district of NYC were stopped and frisked? Not many, but cops racially profiled and stopped blahs and browns in NYC hundreds of thousands of times per year, at least 9/10 of them sent on their way. How long would you maintain a 'respect' for cops who repeatedly pulled you over on your way to work and demanded to search your car for no reason other than they felt like it?

    Did you read the Ferguson report on the police department? If my area was treated like that I'm certain we'd have no respect for the police. We might look at them as a necessary evil at best.



    I agree that most people are good in any neighborhood. But what I also know is the "good" people in many black, inner city neighborhoods are activists who want to clean up police corruption. That's not caused by videos but by.....obvious and systemic police misconduct and corruption in their neighborhoods.

    No doubt some of the differences in perception are caused by the fact that crime is nearly non-existent where I live, and rampant in other areas, so cops have a necessarily different approach to policing and so the interactions MUST be fundamentally different. But you have to at least acknowledge those differences and maybe concede that goes a long way in explaining the different perceptions.
    1. If cops, but much more importantly prosecutors, and most important of all juries, find police actions in most such cases to be justified, then your perceptions are the ones lacking reality - not mine - and it's you who has to acknowledge the difference between what you perceive as reasonable and what the majority in our communities perceive as reasonable. Prosecutors and juries, based on the provisions of law, set the community standards for police action in such cases.

    2. The balance of your post is the chicken/egg argument - which comes first. I'd suggest respecting the police and the role they play by obeying the law, following reasonable instructions from officers performing their duties, and parking your self-entitled "rights" agenda is the first change that needs to take place. That's what the vast majority of those silently sitting on the sidelines, minding their own business, and living their own lives do and expect others to do. The silent majority has no time for the loud mouths and the in your face rights advocates who want to coddle and protect the criminals and miscreants of society.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Just for the record, this situation has nothing to do with the LAPD. The offending officer, still on the job by the way, is a U.S. Marshall


    US Marshals can have scruffy facial hair as a matter of policy?

    Can you link it?


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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    By posting more of the videos, raising public awareness, protesting, and demanding proper action be taken



    Quite the authoritarian view there. No, We The People are the sovereigns, we own the government, it works for us; not the other way around. We are the entities which possess rights, not government. The only natural restriction to our rights is that we may not infringe upon the rights of others in the process. Government must be constrained, it cannot just exercise force against the People without due cause.

    I'm not sure when "conservatives" flipped from small, responsible government folk to Big Brother Knows Best sort of folk, but this big government, big force, **** the People path of Party Politics is killing the Republic.
    That seeming "switch", if it exists probably comes as a result of people in this country calling for, and working towards 'mob rule' and anarchy.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Nobody on either side of the issue can give an absolute answer, but the most credible estimates for wrongful convictions is in the 4% to 5% range, so it stands to reason this would be similar.
    Ok, so then I'd have to ask is perfection achievable ? I think not...The best we can hope for is that the system works when situations happen.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Isn't there a name for that? The blue shield, or something? I agree, that's something that should be addressed, but as I understand it, that kinda stuff only exists in LARGE police forces, like NYPD, or LAPD.

    It's sad to say, but those people deal with problems that are just so far beyond what a typical officer any where else in the US has to deal with, that yeah, they develop a bond, like comrades in arms. Maybe those officers would be less paranoid if half of their jurisdiction really WASN'T out to get them?
    While I can understand the feelings of wanting to protect your buddies and fellow officers that doesn't make it right. And I am not sure it is just large depts. A small scale but very common example of it is when it comes to giving other officers speeding tickets. It is very well known that most cops don't give other cops speeding tickets. I have even been with a buddy who while off duty was pulled over for doing about 20 over, cop came up my buddy showed him his badge and off we went. He said his dept calls it a professional courtesy. To me it starts with small things like that. Than moves to things like getting pulled over drunk and having them call your wife to pick you up rather than charge you, like some cops in my area got in trouble for, and eventually leads to looking the other way when bigger things happen. Either they are held to the same standards as the rest of us or they are not. There really is no middle ground.

    My opinion is that any cop that allows others to break the law and doesn't do anything about it is almost as bad as the one breaking the law.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That seeming "switch", if it exists probably comes as a result of people in this country calling for, and working towards 'mob rule' and anarchy.
    Well I suppose if selling out the Republic and destroying this great experiment in freedom was the goal, that's the way to do it.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The reports are that the woman had exchanged words with the officers present. As of yet, we don't know what was said so we can't be certain there was no warning
    Where?

    Post these "reports" as your claim is completely inconsistent with the video.

    If you are suggesting he was jusitfied in this assault because of something said, it had better been a documented threat.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Again, how is that analgolous?

    So you are saying, if something is not statistically dangerous, and every now and then, something bad happens to someone it's "dangerous"?
    I am saying that if only a minority of something is dangerous, but you interact with it many times, the danger represented is not the % of X that is dangerous, but % of X that is dangerous times the number of times you interact with it. As an analogy, if a very small minority of M&M's are poisonous, eating them by the handful is still a dangerous enterprise.

    So you were using statistics made up statistics, in an emotional way, The job IS significantly less dangrous than most officers claim.
    No, I was using an analogy in an analogous way. You wanted to use statistics, and you did it poorly.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    US Marshals can have scruffy facial hair as a matter of policy?

    Can you link it?

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    You own your own business - what is the purpose of your haircut?
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    So you have no idea if she was breaking the law or not yet you defend the cop. No suprise there.
    What the hell is that supposed to mean? Look, do I support Law Enforcement? Yes. Does that mean that I give them a free pass? No...So I don't know why you feel the need to attack me.

    Yeah I am sure the lady would have been very comfortable with going up to the officers who just witnessed one of their buddies break the law and do nothing about it.
    Who said she had to go up to one of the cops there? That may have been one way, but if she felt uncomfortable, then she could go down to the police station, and file a complaint, and to the courthouse and file charges....

    And think about for a second what you are saying, she was bold enough to insert herself close enough to an ongoing police operation that involved danger, but the poor wilting flower is too meek to go file charges....pfft, not buying it.

    Good cops who let other cops break the law are not good cops.
    No quarrel with that statement, but you and I are not the judge.

    And to say that because the woman didn't file charges, then there was no crime when the cop is caught on film breaking her property is just idiotic.
    Really? So tell me, if no charges were filed, who is going to be prosecuted?

    And you are most certainly making things up that I did not say. That is exactly what you did.
    Nope, sorry but you're wrong about that.

    And no the Supreme Court has said the police do not have a duty to protect you. Nice try though.
    Now, you are conflating what the SCOTUS was ruling on...It is true that the police are not a "pro active" agency. IOW, they are not there to predict, and conversely prevent crime from happening. That would be impossible. But, if you have an ongoing operation by police, then at that point they ARE tasked with public safety...Why do you think they block off things like hostage situations?
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