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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I really don't know, I guess it depends on the jurisdiction. I do know that a cop can witness a minor dispute between people, and not effect an arrest themselves, but they ask the "victim" in the dispute if they want to file charges....So, it is possible that if the woman would have gone up to one of the police on the scene, after their operation was done, and asked them to arrest that Marshall for assault, that it would have been done....My guess is that she knew she was in the wrong, and didn't pursue it, therefore, legally speaking, I don't think you have a crime....You know like if a tree falls in the forest, thing.



    I am not making anything up for you, you're doing a fine job digging yourself....But keep in mind that the police have a duty to protect....Think about that.



    Then I might suggest you get ahold of the woman in the video and plead with her to file charges.
    So you have no idea if she was breaking the law or not yet you defend the cop. No suprise there. Yeah I am sure the lady would have been very comfortable with going up to the officers who just witnessed one of their buddies break the law and do nothing about it. Good cops who let other cops break the law are not good cops.
    And to say that because the woman didn't file charges, then there was no crime when the cop is caught on film breaking her property is just idiotic.

    And you are most certainly making things up that I did not say. That is exactly what you did. And no the Supreme Court has said the police do not have a duty to protect you. Nice try though.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Well, no warning and destruction of property. I think the woman should get a new phone paid by that specific police officer.
    The reports are that the woman had exchanged words with the officers present. As of yet, we don't know what was said so we can't be certain there was no warning

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why should she have to file charges? Because that is how it is done....So now you want to rewrite the system?
    No the majority of time the cops witness an assault as well as other crimes they arrest the person. They don't wait for the victim to come down to the station to file a report. Why do you think holding cops to the same standard as average citizens is such a bad idea.

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    I have now had SEVERAL encounters with the police, for a variety of reasons. Once, when I was a teenager, I got busted for trespassing. I even tried to run away, lol. And would have escaped, but for my partner in crime, who fell. So I stopped. And you know what? The cops grabbed me by my collar, and hauled me back to their cruiser, and called my parents. Frankly, I would have preferred an arrest. The owner of the place a trespassed on was notified, but no charges were brought up (it was a lawn care service, and they had a huge pile of leaves burning, so we poked at it to stoke the fire....because fire is awesome). All in all, I was not roughed up, even though I made those fellas run, I was treated as a criminal, sure...but they engaged me in conversation, asked me what the hell I was up to at that time of night (we had snuck out of our houses, it was, like, 2am), etc etc.

    Another time, I was busted for speeding, and had beer bottle caps in the car. Cop was a BIT of a dick, but I think he was just trying to impress on me the importance of never giving an officer the impression of drinking and driving.

    Another time, I was pulled over for having out of state plates, and I had a bunch of 35mm film containers in my car, which the officer thought were for drugs. But then I showed him my camera, explained I was a student at the local college, and that was that. This was in a very bad neighborhood, also very late at night.

    I was pulled over for running a yellow light, once. THAT got kinda funny, from my perspective. But ultimately, it was midnight, and driving through an area with a bunch of bars. He wanted an excuse to smell my breath. He saw I had a dinner plate in foil, and was dressed for work, and said have a nice evening, the end.

    One time I had to call the police for a neighbor because some kids threw a brick through their large window on the front of their house, which was right by where their crib for their new born was. Cops arrived shortly, had a dog, and ACTUALLY managed to catch the kids, who lived a couple blocks down. They managed to calm my neighbors, got everything under control, and wrapped it all up in about 45 minutes.

    One time, I was stranded, car stuck in a huge snow drift, and I swear, I thought I was gonna die. No cell, huge blizzard (this was 2 years...or maybe 3 years ago, now?). It was a state of emergency, and I was not supposed to be out, but try telling that to my employer, you know? Plow passed me, must have phoned the police for me, and they showed up at significant personal risk to them, helped me push the car out of the road, and gave me a ride. Asked me why I was out, but they could clearly see I was in work clothes, and I told them I had to stay till store closing, and they nodded, and joined in with me trash talking greedy idiotic employers. They quite literally saved my life. I don't think I would have been able to walk home in that. Snow was up to my chest in some areas, and I'm 6'2.

    Another time, we called the police to complain about a guy in a pick up driving through or little neighborhood with barely a two lane road at about 55mph. Cops came, took out statement, found the guy, and issued a warning. Problem stopped immediately.

    Another time, we had a pregnant employer suffer what was the most severe low blood sugar attack I have ever seen, cops got there first, carried her to the front, made it so that once the ambulance arrived, they had her out and loaded in probably less than 30 seconds.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Right or wrong, it's ONE COP.


    If this problem is so systemic, where are the other vids of the rest of the LAPD doing crap like this?


    I'm tired of all of the cop bashing. We're making a huge freaking deal over, what, less than 1% of all the police in this country, being a **** up? That's better odds than what we get with out politicians, and we ELECT those people. I'd settle for at least 50% odds on our politicians, but no, they're WORSE. But we get a vid of a single cop stepping out of line, and it's "This country has a growing problem with it's police force..."

    Much ado about nothing. If the vid is as it appears, fire the cop, cancel his pension, and hire someone better.


    If ONLY it were that easy with the people WE ELECT.
    I'm this instance it is not just the one cop. The other cops that stood there and did nothing while the one cop broke the law are not good cops. And if there had not been a second person filming this I doubt anything would have happened to anyone.

    Now I agree that the number of cops who abuse their authority is most likely pretty small. Unfortunately it seems that the number who look the other way while the law is being broken is much larger.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You know, of you get too close to the Tiger cage at the zoo, it may attack you as well....
    You are comparing police officers with massive wild carnivores. Feel free to continue to destroy your own position.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Right or wrong, it's ONE COP.

    If this problem is so systemic, where are the other vids of the rest of the LAPD doing crap like this?

    I'm tired of all of the cop bashing. We're making a huge freaking deal over, what, less than 1% of all the police in this country, being a **** up? That's better odds than what we get with out politicians, and we ELECT those people. I'd settle for at least 50% odds on our politicians, but no, they're WORSE. But we get a vid of a single cop stepping out of line, and it's "This country has a growing problem with it's police force..."

    Much ado about nothing. If the vid is as it appears, fire the cop, cancel his pension, and hire someone better.

    If ONLY it were that easy with the people WE ELECT.
    If the problem is so small, it should be easy to rectify, shouldn't it?

    Also, you seem to claim that you do not approve of the actions of the few bad cops. Hence, one would think that you'd be on board with wanting to "out" these bad cops to ensure that they do get dealt with. Yet your rant comes off as not wanting to hear about it and blindly trusting that they will be dealt with in secret.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If the problem is so small, it should be easy to rectify, shouldn't it?

    Also, you seem to claim that you do not approve of the actions of the few bad cops. Hence, one would think that you'd be on board with wanting to "out" these bad cops to ensure that they do get dealt with. Yet your rant comes off as not wanting to hear about it and blindly trusting that they will be dealt with in secret.

    I am. I LOVE that videos like this surface. It's kinda like the gun debate, though. One bad gun owner does something stupid, and everyone rallies around that, and says we need tougher gun laws, more gun laws, less gun owners, etc etc etc.

    Too often, threads like this take an OUTLIER, and paints the entire team with that brush. And I'm tired of it. I'm tired of people saying our police force sucks, and needs to be fixed, needs to have the screws put to them, etc. Because it's simply not true.

    Yeah, we have a few bad apples, and thanks to technology, those bad apples are getting a LOT of attention. So address THOSE people, don't smear the entire force. Fire the bad cops, cancel their pension, and hire better replacements.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    I'm this instance it is not just the one cop. The other cops that stood there and did nothing while the one cop broke the law are not good cops. And if there had not been a second person filming this I doubt anything would have happened to anyone.

    Now I agree that the number of cops who abuse their authority is most likely pretty small. Unfortunately it seems that the number who look the other way while the law is being broken is much larger.

    Isn't there a name for that? The blue shield, or something? I agree, that's something that should be addressed, but as I understand it, that kinda stuff only exists in LARGE police forces, like NYPD, or LAPD.

    It's sad to say, but those people deal with problems that are just so far beyond what a typical officer any where else in the US has to deal with, that yeah, they develop a bond, like comrades in arms. Maybe those officers would be less paranoid if half of their jurisdiction really WASN'T out to get them?
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He said that interacting with X is not dangerous because most of X are not dangerous. I pointed out that, when you interact with large numbers of X, the fact that only a small percentage of them are dangerous still makes it dangerous.
    Again, how is that analgolous?


    So you are saying, if something is not statistically dangerous, and every now and then, something bad happens to someone it's "dangerous"?

    That's sill.


    btw,

    death rates for police are 5.3 per 100,000, all deaths

    Civillian homicide rate is 4.6 per 100,000 just homicides.

    remove accidents from police deaths, and its 3.3



    So, law enforcment is safer from death by homicde, than a civillian.

    It's a safe job.


    No, I grabbed a quick analogy. You, however, are attempting to make a statistical argument, and are attempting to apply national averages to local conditions to make the job sound significantly less dangerous than it really is.

    So you were using statistics made up statistics, in an emotional way, The job IS significantly less dangrous than most officers claim.


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