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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me how little so many conservatives know about what the ACLU actually does.
    Oh please....Go bleat somewhere that you actually can make a point instead of just clacking attacks off your keyboard.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I said I didn't condone the cop's actions...But, let me just say again...The woman was too close to the action the police were undertaking. Now, if the woman wants to file charges for assault, destruction of property, or anything else then she is free to do that, and a court can sort it out....But, just as it isn't for him to take the action he did, it isn't for you to decide whether or not he should be jailed or not...So, tell me, do you know if charges were filed?

    See, this is the problem I have with a story like this. You get a video snippet, and a one, or two sentence story, then the faux outrage starts....If something in this operation had gone wrong and say a stray bullet would have come out and killed the woman, then you'd be hollering that the police had an obligation to make sure she wasn't in the immediate vicinity of the operation for safety....so they can't win with you..All you want to do is smear, and bitch about cops...So, I'm not all convinced that your outrage is genuine.
    So what does the law state is the appropriate distance she had to be away from the officers. Also why should she have to file charges for assault were there not plenty of L/E there that witnessed it. If some random citizen had done what that cop did to another citizen in front of a bunch of cops do you honestly think none of the cops would have done something like they did in this instance. We both know the answer to that.

    Nice job making up arguments and coming up with my positions for me though. If they lady was to close and caught a bullet forms bad guy I would have no problems with it. I do not expect the police to protect people from their own stupidity. What I do expect is our police to be held to the same standards that ordinary citizens are held to. Which sadly does not happen to often.

    I rarely complain about cops and if calling them out for breaking the law is smearing them then we have bigger problems. So why don't you stop being dishonest and putting words in mouth.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me how little so many conservatives know about what the ACLU actually does.
    They do have their favorite types of cases, but if you look at their work in total they really are all over the map.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Issue, after issue is media driven to gin up the masses....How many police forces are in the US today? How many cops are on the job? Millions? You have what is it now, 5 reports on the news and all of the sudden we are in crisis? Nah, this is just how the Alinsky left thinks they are effective at forcing change...Create a crisis, then as Emmanuel said, "Never let a crisis go to waste".... What I want to know is what do the anti police people want? Anarchy?
    If all you've seen is 5 then you're not paying attention to the world around you.

    If you think that the only cases are those which you see, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I give you that...So reprimand the cop...Does this really need an entire thread other than to continue the smear of police today?
    It's not a smear, it's just further documentation of how out of control some of the police force has gotten in the modern world. We need to not only be aware of this, we need to start punishing. Government must be kept within its constraints.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When you posted: "So what you are saying is that if you may have broke the law it is ok for the cop to determine guilt and dish out punishment all on his own."

    That's NOT what I said, and you damned well know it....That sir is a strawman argument, and you'd do better not to try to put words in peoples mouths.



    Then let her go down and file charges...I am certain that the department would take that very seriously.
    When you say things like
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Again....proximity is the key here....Don't want that to happen? I'd suggest you don't make yourself a pest by trying to capture your footage so close to what is happening.
    I think any rational person would take that to mean you are justifying what the cop did and that the fault rests on the woman. Add that in with the rest of your posts defending the cop and I think most people would take it the same way I did.

    And as I said before, why should she have to go down to the station to file a complaint. Plenty of other officers witnessed the cop break the law. If some random citizen had done that we all know the police would have acted right there on the spot.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Watch: LAPD deputy snatches woman's cellphone - One News Page VIDEO

    More over the top actions by police who somehow believe they are above the law.

    Note: The way she's holding the device and the loudness of the smash on the ground leads me to suspect it wasn't a cell phone, but as Today as reported a "camera".
    Well, no warning and destruction of property. I think the woman should get a new phone paid by that specific police officer.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We generally don't disagree. However, I don't come from an expectation that police are unreasonably or unnecessarily violent with members of the public just for the fun of it. When an officer becomes unreasonably or unnecessarily violent, I expect him/her to be handled accordingly through internal discipline or through the criminal or civil law. However, I also come from an expectation that the vast majority of the time the police act reasonably and necessarily when interacting with members of the public.
    I didn't say they do it for the "fun of it." And the problem of course is when they do get unnecessarily violent, they almost NEVER suffer any actual punishment and are even rarely subject to criminal penalties. Their fellow cops, the prosecutors and juries do what we see on here every day - if the person beaten didn't behave PERFECTLY, then the violence is justified.

    Where I strongly disagree with your comments is your apparent assumption that only those who are white and affluent have good relationships with police and that those who reside in inner city neighbourhoods and are minorities naturally have bad/disrespectful/distrustful relationships with police.
    What I said was I'm self aware enough to know there is a big difference in how cops treat me and those like me and how they treat, say, inner city black kids. I'm certain the difference is night and day between my interactions and poor minorities in, say, NYC or Chicago. And that's especially true as our police become militarized.

    How many times you been stopped and frisked? How many white people in the theater district of NYC were stopped and frisked? Not many, but cops racially profiled and stopped blahs and browns in NYC hundreds of thousands of times per year, at least 9/10 of them sent on their way. How long would you maintain a 'respect' for cops who repeatedly pulled you over on your way to work and demanded to search your car for no reason other than they felt like it?

    Did you read the Ferguson report on the police department? If my area was treated like that I'm certain we'd have no respect for the police. We might look at them as a necessary evil at best.

    In my view, the vast majority of minorities in inner city neighbourhoods have very good relationships with the police because in many cases they rely on the police for their safety and a semblance of normalcy in their neighbourhoods. Without them, they know they'd be living under the control of criminals and gangs. Good, honest, respectful people are in the vast majority in pretty much every neighbourhood.
    I agree that most people are good in any neighborhood. But what I also know is the "good" people in many black, inner city neighborhoods are activists who want to clean up police corruption. That's not caused by videos but by.....obvious and systemic police misconduct and corruption in their neighborhoods.

    No doubt some of the differences in perception are caused by the fact that crime is nearly non-existent where I live, and rampant in other areas, so cops have a necessarily different approach to policing and so the interactions MUST be fundamentally different. But you have to at least acknowledge those differences and maybe concede that goes a long way in explaining the different perceptions.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    So what does the law state is the appropriate distance she had to be away from the officers. Also why should she have to file charges for assault were there not plenty of L/E there that witnessed it. If some random citizen had done what that cop did to another citizen in front of a bunch of cops do you honestly think none of the cops would have done something like they did in this instance. We both know the answer to that.
    I really don't know, I guess it depends on the jurisdiction. I do know that a cop can witness a minor dispute between people, and not effect an arrest themselves, but they ask the "victim" in the dispute if they want to file charges....So, it is possible that if the woman would have gone up to one of the police on the scene, after their operation was done, and asked them to arrest that Marshall for assault, that it would have been done....My guess is that she knew she was in the wrong, and didn't pursue it, therefore, legally speaking, I don't think you have a crime....You know like if a tree falls in the forest, thing.

    Nice job making up arguments and coming up with my positions for me though. If they lady was to close and caught a bullet forms bad guy I would have no problems with it. I do not expect the police to protect people from their own stupidity. What I do expect is our police to be held to the same standards that ordinary citizens are held to. Which sadly does not happen to often.
    I am not making anything up for you, you're doing a fine job digging yourself....But keep in mind that the police have a duty to protect....Think about that.

    I rarely complain about cops and if calling them out for breaking the law is smearing them then we have bigger problems. So why don't you stop being dishonest and putting words in mouth.
    Then I might suggest you get ahold of the woman in the video and plead with her to file charges.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If all you've seen is 5 then you're not paying attention to the world around you.

    If you think that the only cases are those which you see, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant.
    Maybe I am, maybe not...I'm a busy guy, I work pretty hard, so I'm not always available to sit around watching news 24/7.

    And NO, I don't think they are the only cases, but you're ignoring my questions....How many cases vs. the number of police on the job? Can you answer that?
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