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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Let's say that I give you a bowl of M&M's and tell you that one in 50 are filled with cyanide. Would you eat a couple of handfuls?
    Is it my job to eat the M&M's? Am I given proper training to eat the M&M's? Am I properly trained on the "what if I eat a poisonous M&M" procedure? If it's my job to eat said M&M's then I do my job. Of course if the risk is so great that I cannot eat the M&M's in a proper manner than I'd just quit my job to eat cyanide laced M&M's.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Is it my job to eat the M&M's? Am I given proper training to eat the M&M's? Am I properly trained on the "what if I eat a poisonous M&M" procedure? If it's my job to eat said M&M's then I do my job. Of course if the risk is so great that I cannot eat the M&M's in a proper manner than I'd just quit my job to eat cyanide laced M&M's.
    All good points. And in such an instance, you need to be trained on M&M procedure - because eating M&M's as a profession is dangerous.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Not a strawman. bud.
    It is a strawman. You are demanding that someone defend an analogy as though it were not.



    the flip side would be if I were to declare that you were arguing instead that police officers never get put in danger from civilians, and demand that you prove that this was so. It's a stupid counter because it is built on an obvious strawman.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It is a strawman. You are demanding that someone defend an analogy as though it were not.



    the flip side would be if I were to declare that you were arguing instead that police officers never get put in danger from civilians, and demand that you prove that this was so. It's a stupid counter because it is built on an obvious strawman.



    The analogy is wrong, you made a statistical claim, not an analogy.


    Here are some other statistics.

    You said there were around 700,000 cops I believe or law enforcment personel.

    hmm....

    In 2013, 27 law enforcement officers died from injuries incurred in the line of duty during felonious incidents, ALL incidents.

    2 officers were fatally injured during traffic pursuits or stops.

    FBI — Officers Feloniously Killed

    So, "50 M&M's or 1 out of every thousand stops", is laughably innaccurate.

    2, bro. 2 cops died out of lets say 500,000 for arguments sake, (not all are patrol officers right?), during traffic stops.



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    No. I am attempting to use an analogy to make a point. If the majority of times a cop pulls over a car on the highway, the guy in it won't decide to pull a gun to get out of a ticket... but he will one in a thousand times... and you conduct two thousand pull-overs over the course of your career, that means someone is going to try to kill you twice for the act of pulling them over for speeding.

    hmmm..... I don't think so, bro.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The analogy is wrong, you made a statistical claim, not an analogy.
    That is incorrect. I made an analogous claim that you are trying to pretend was a statistical one because it allows you to not have to answer the analogous point.

    Here are some other statistics.

    You said there were around 700,000 cops I believe or law enforcment personel.
    I said no such thing. I demand you link where I gave that number or your entire argument is dismissed.


    hmmm..... I don't think so, bro.
    I think I rather know my own mind, bro.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    All good points. And in such an instance, you need to be trained on M&M procedure - because eating M&M's as a profession is dangerous.
    Right I don't think anyone denies being a cop has it's share of dangers. But it's not as dangerous as many cops claim. And statistically it's not as dangerous as...

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    My own personal issue is that when a cop messes up they're not held responsible. Making a cop responsible for their screw up takes a Herculean effort. Some people just don't like cops, I'm not actually one of them, despite what my posting history might imply. As a libertarian I want government agents held to a standard. Throwing destroying private property and insisting that their actions in public should not be recorded makes me all the more suspicious of them.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    cop should be in jail, for charging the woman in a threating matter and the destruction of private property.

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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    well, what would you suggest to end this militarization of police, and the excessive use of force problem that we see almost DAILY, these days?


    And don't blame the military mindset on those opposing the military mindset, it came from the wars on terror/drugs, and the 1033 program. It came from the recruitment videos, and the "going into battle mindset". it didn't come from the people they are sworn to protect.
    I don't have a simply answer for you. The answer is found in how you find a way for ordinary citizens to start respecting public institutions once again. If citizens don't respect those who work on their behalf, then you're not going to change how they view citizens. I've never had a single problem with a police officer and I've had several interactions with them both when working and in my personal life. They've always returned my respect with respect. If they ask me a question, I don't immediately get all butt hurt about my rights supposedly being abused or whip out my cellphone to video the discussion. Maybe the entitlement society is finally hitting the wall.

    Simple solution - how about if everyone obeys the law and everyone chills.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    After all the news the police force seems to be getting nervous. This guy should lose his pension.
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    Well he should be fired.
    Watching the video, I saw assault, robbery, and destruction of property. Of course, there's obstruction of justice, and destroying evidence as well, and an obvious intent to violate the First Amendment.

    Assuming that this is what it appears to be, this cop doesn't just need to be fired, or even lose his pension. These are criminal acts.

    Malfeasance as well, since engaging in criminal acts goes against his purpose and duty of fighting crime.

    He needs to be criminally prosecuted, and he needs to go to prison.
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    Re: Cop snatches phone and smashes it (gets caught on video anyway)

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    SO wait, I can't look at statistics and state that police work isn't as dangerous as we are led to believe without it being a blanket statement?


    How what now?
    You can do whatever you want. But if you claim that being a Walmart greeter is more dangerous than being a police officer, I'll just laugh at your idiocy.
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