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Wal-Mart workers allege layoffs, store closings were retaliatory

Of course not. The stores have ongoing plumbing problems leading up to the store closings

So they had plenty of time to have inspectors and various contractors to look at those problems and tell them what needs to be done. So the idea that they don't know yet as their excuse for not having permits doesn't fly.
 
So now businesses are obligated to stay in business, or their employees can sue them?

I'm sure Revelations predicted this, too, but I'll have to research it.
 
So they had plenty of time to have inspectors and various contractors to look at those problems and tell them what needs to be done. So the idea that they don't know yet as their excuse for not having permits doesn't fly.

Doesn't fly with who? you? Oh, I'm sure they'll take that into consideration....
 
So they had plenty of time to have inspectors and various contractors to look at those problems and tell them what needs to be done. So the idea that they don't know yet as their excuse for not having permits doesn't fly.
That they had time doesn't mean they utilized that time to do as you wish. They may not have wanted that kind of activity in a store open to customers
 
So now businesses are obligated to stay in business, or their employees can sue them?

I'm sure Revelations predicted this, too, but I'll have to research it.

It goes back to a critical difference between conservative and liberal thought. A Conservative believes that a business opens to earn money for the owner, and he earns that money by providing goods or services. A liberal believes that businesses are social services entities that open to provide goods and services and in so doing they earn money.
 
It goes back to a critical difference between conservative and liberal thought. A Conservative believes that a business opens to earn money for the owner, and he earns that money by providing goods or services. A liberal believes that businesses are social services entities that open to provide goods and services and in so doing they earn money.

Wrong.

An intelligent business owner considers customers, their community, and a host of other things in addition to themselves.

It's called being a good corporate citizen.
 
Wrong.

An intelligent business owner considers customers, their community, and a host of other things in addition to themselves.

It's called being a good corporate citizen.

Case in point (after you untangle the code words)
 
So they had plenty of time to have inspectors and various contractors to look at those problems and tell them what needs to be done. So the idea that they don't know yet as their excuse for not having permits doesn't fly.
I heard that the unions won't let the union plumbers go to the Wal-Mart stores and that in some states you can't have you own plumbers unless they are in the union so this is looking like a union hit job to force Wal-Mart to open up to unions but Wal-Mart closed the stores and laid people off.
Some suspect that the Wal-Mart employees caused the plumbing problems and no store can stay open without restrooms.

 
I heard that the unions won't let the union plumbers go to the Wal-Mart stores and that in some states you can't have you own plumbers unless they are in the union so this is looking like a union hit job to force Wal-Mart to open up to unions but Wal-Mart closed the stores and laid people off.Some suspect that the Wal-Mart employees caused the plumbing problems and no store can stay open without restrooms.

That theory would hold water if these closures only happened in California and other none right to work states. Oklahoma and Texas are right to work states and there are plenty of plumbers who are not part of unions.
 
It goes back to a critical difference between conservative and liberal thought. A Conservative believes that a business opens to earn money for the owner, and he earns that money by providing goods or services. A liberal believes that businesses are social services entities that open to provide goods and services and in so doing they earn money.
Many people regardless if they are conservative or liberal believe that workers have a right to collectively bargain for better pay and work conditions.
 
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That they had time doesn't mean they utilized that time to do as you wish. They may not have wanted that kind of activity in a store open to customers

These stores are open 24/7.Usually after midnight while the stores are still open they close off sections of the store to clean and re stock shelves. Heck sometimes they close off sections during the day when they are rearranging or remodeling certain sections of the the store. I seriously doubt they would have any problem with inspectors or contractors looking at the plumbing work.
 
I've just finished construction on a small kitchen addition to a bar in North Carolina. The design and plans took the architect a month. The plans were submitted to the building department and plan review took a month. The construction cost was about sixty grand plus equipment and it's taken a month. This was three months for a kitchen which was roughly three hundred square feet.

That doesn't mean that I know how long it takes to work on a Walmart, especially since all I know about the scope of work is people bitching about it on the internet.

your little small kitchen is nothing compared to the commercial builidngs which have a completely different set of codes that it has to follow.
the scope of work is not even the same.
 
These stores are open 24/7.Usually after midnight while the stores are still open they close off sections of the store to clean and re stock shelves. Heck sometimes they close off sections during the day when they are rearranging or remodeling certain sections of the the store. I seriously doubt they would have any problem with inspectors or contractors looking at the plumbing work.

it depends on where the plumbing issues are at. if they are under the floor then that means cutting concrete.
again you are making assumptions with no facts to back it up.
 
your little small kitchen is nothing compared to the commercial builidngs which have a completely different set of codes that it has to follow.
the scope of work is not even the same.

Sorry, I've been doing this all my adult life. There aren't little building codes and big building codes. The scope of work is different but the codes are the same. You have no idea about what you are talking about.
 
Sorry, I've been doing this all my adult life. There aren't little building codes and big building codes. The scope of work is different but the codes are the same. You have no idea about what you are talking about.

yea right anyone who knows anything about construction knows that there are different building codes and requirements for commercial property vs residential property.
thank you for proving you have no clue about what you are talking about.
 
yea right anyone who knows anything about construction knows that there are different building codes and requirements for commercial property vs residential property.
thank you for proving you have no clue about what you are talking about.

We aren't talking about residential versus commercial. You said there were different codes for a small commercial kitchen and large commercial projects. Now you are trying to spin your original claim. While it's true that codes vary by construction type this discussion is about Walmart and nobody mentioned residential construction.

Commercial codes are commercial codes. My little kitchen happens to be in the ground floor in a nine story high rise office building. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Try to stay on topic and you won't look like such a dick. We are talking about commercial construction and how long it takes to renovate the five Walmarts that recently closed and how long they might be closed for renovation and wether it's necessary to permit the work which nobody here knows anything about without knowing the scope of work.

Stay on topic.
 
We aren't talking about residential versus commercial. You said there were different codes for a small commercial kitchen and large commercial projects. Now you are trying to spin your original claim. While it's true that codes vary by construction type this discussion is about Walmart and nobody mentioned residential construction.

no I didn't have a nice day.

Commercial codes are commercial codes. My little kitchen happens to be in the ground floor in a nine story high rise office building. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Try to stay on topic and you won't look like such a dick. We are talking about commercial construction and how long it takes to renovate the five Walmarts that recently closed and how long they might be closed for renovation and wether it's necessary to permit the work which nobody here knows anything about without knowing the scope of work.

Stay on topic.

yes there are different building codes for commercial buidlings than residential. and you mentioned nothing of an office building you said you rebuilt a kitchen.
if you can't be specific in what you are talking about then how is anyone else supposed to know.

the fact is that walmart has to pull commercial permits to do any work in the building and depending on the scope those can take awhile.
 
no I didn't have a nice day.



yes there are different building codes for commercial buidlings than residential. and you mentioned nothing of an office building you said you rebuilt a kitchen.
if you can't be specific in what you are talking about then how is anyone else supposed to know.

the fact is that walmart has to pull commercial permits to do any work in the building and depending on the scope those can take awhile.

Walmart can change fixtures without a permit. Beyond that a permit is likely.
 
Walmart is a private company (I.e. Non-governmental) and as such should be, IMO, able to hire and fire/layoff anyone for any reason. And if they are closing five stores strictly to send a message to their workers that griping about low wages will not be tolerated...FINE WITH ME (from a legal perspective).
None of these people have to work at Walmart. They won't starve or be without medical benefits or shelter or clothing (all thanks to welfare)...so Walmart owes them nothing but to follow health/safety practices and pay them what they promised to pay them...THAT IS IT.
And if Walmart wants to scare employees out of whining about higher pay...fine with me (again, legally). Just like it is fine with me if those same employees ask for more money.
Now, personally, IF that is why Walmart closed those stores, I don't personally feel that is a smart way to conduct business. But it IS there business and as such I feel they have the right to run it in that way (even if I personally do not think it is wise).
 
Many people regardless if they are conservative or liberal believe that workers have a right to collectively bargain for better pay and work conditions.

St. Reagan thought so. ;)
 
That theory would hold water if these closures only happened in California and other none right to work states. Oklahoma and Texas are right to work states and there are plenty of plumbers who are not part of unions.
Are you saying that Wal-Mart is saying that all of the closures are due plumbing problems? They close stores all over the place when the market won't support them.
 
That theory would hold water if these closures only happened in California and other none right to work states. Oklahoma and Texas are right to work states and there are plenty of plumbers who are not part of unions.

Didn't Wally World say the closures were temporary?
 
Didn't Wally World say the closures were temporary?
I seriously doubt those workers would stay unemployed for 4 months instead of six months assuming they got two months severance..
 
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