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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

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    He might be catching on that Iranians have been smacktalkin him. You know how he wont like that. Just took some time to filter thru the grey matter. Must have been the Farsi that was throwing him off. You know how sometimes words can have two meanings.
    Just happened to look a carrier disposition. Seems like we're a little better off than we were a year ago. Like any other sea going vessel, if they sit for extended periods bad things happen to them that make deployment problematic. With ships this size even some simple problems are huge.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Just happened to look a carrier disposition. Seems like we're a little better off than we were a year ago. Like any other sea going vessel, if they sit for extended periods bad things happen to them that make deployment problematic. With ships this size even some simple problems are huge.
    Well, where there be an Aircraft carrier.....I would expect there be a sub or two. So there is no mistaking that BO flexed back.....while still playing the role as part of a Coalition.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, where there be an Aircraft carrier.....I would expect there be a sub or two. So there is no mistaking that BO flexed back.....while still playing the role as part of a Coalition.
    No doubt Obama has felt Iran's leaders. Also, no doubt there's a sub or two around the group. I'd give Obama a check on this, but it all depends on how things transpire. I expect the Iranian vessels will not want to be boarded for quite a few reasons. I also expect that if Obama wants his agreement on the nukes, he'd prefer that we don't have to board those ships. Should be interesting, and hopefully a peaceful deterrent to any further inflammation in the area.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No doubt Obama has felt Iran's leaders. Also, no doubt there's a sub or two around the group. I'd give Obama a check on this, but it all depends on how things transpire. I expect the Iranian vessels will not want to be boarded for quite a few reasons. I also expect that if Obama wants his agreement on the nukes, he'd prefer that we don't have to board those ships. Should be interesting, and hopefully a peaceful deterrent to any further inflammation in the area.
    Being part of the Coalition BO will want to show we can do our part. Today its all reported what the ships were being sent for. But we did have a Pentagon Official come out with. We were just repositioning our ships. BSmith put up the link on it yesterday. Then all the MS Media was reporting on it this morning.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064549268

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Being part of the Coalition BO will want to show we can do our part. Today its all reported what the ships were being sent for. But we did have a Pentagon Official come out with. We were just repositioning our ships. BSmith put up the link on it yesterday. Then all the MS Media was reporting on it this morning.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064549268
    The suspicion is that surface to air missiles may be on board those ships. Would make sense. If I were the Iranians, that's exactly what I'd try to get in there to negate the air power arrayed against the Houthies. The desire of all these thug groups obviously is to pressure the opposition to get ground troops involved.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    He might be catching on that Iranians have been smacktalkin him. You know how he wont like that. Just took some time to filter thru the grey matter. Must have been the Farsi that was throwing him off. You know how sometimes words can have two meanings.
    If it were anyone else, I'd have to agree with you, but he still has ValJar advising him, so nothing has changed. This is supposed to look like a show of military capability as a warning to Iran, and if it were anyone but Iran, it might work, but with Russia backing Iran by sending them equipment and personnel to help on their centrifuges plus aircraft for missile delivery, this is just a diversion, IMO. Getting arms to the Houthi in Yemen can be accomplished in other ways, and has nothing whatsoever to do with our endless negotiating on Iranian nuclear talks, although it's being made to look like it is. We could have helped Yemen earlier.

    If Iran backs down, BHO can crow that we have the upper hand in the talks, and we should give them a chance to prove they are trustworthy and will honor any agreement that can be reached because they fear us...blah, blah, blah. Bull****! We'll see how an actual confrontation with Iranian ships is handled, but I'll hazard a guess it won't be us giving them problems, but one of the other countries that are also involved, if it goes that far, and since none of them are fond of us, and they don't want any agreement made with Iran, I wouldn't rule out an "accidental" hit to one of our ships, by one of them. What'll we do then, and why are we even involved in this quagmire?

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites


    As far as I am concerned, if this is Tehran's official position, then it is a deal breaker.

    Nuclear weapons are under the custody and supervision of the military in every nation that has declared itself to be a nuclear-weapon nation. Iran has long been suspected of running two parallel nuclear programs ... one program for the purpose of generating energy and another separate military program to fabricate nuclear warheads and ballistic delivery systems.

    The P5+1 nations are negotiating with Iran for the express purpose of guaranteeing that an Iranian military program to acquire nuclear weapons is impossible under strict parameters and an intrusive inspections regimen for the duration of any mutually accepted deal. This lofty goal however, cannot be achieved without the capability of the IAEA to inspect military facilities suspected of nuclear weapons research or uranium enrichment.

    Contrary to what is imagined or purported by some, such inspections are not requested on a whim. The IAEA has many highly sophisticated tools to detect possible activity without entering a facility. They would only request access to a military facility if unequivocal technical/documentary evidence exists which demands an in-depth examination to either verify or dismiss suspicions.

    Without this critical capability, any P5+1 deal with Iran is illusion and a sham.
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites


    As far as I am concerned, if this is Tehran's official position, then it is a deal breaker.

    Nuclear weapons are under the custody and supervision of the military in every nation that has declared itself to be a nuclear-weapon nation. Iran has long been suspected of running two parallel nuclear programs ... one program for the purpose of generating energy and another separate military program to fabricate nuclear warheads and ballistic delivery systems.

    The P5+1 nations are negotiating with Iran for the express purpose of guaranteeing that an Iranian military program to acquire nuclear weapons is impossible under strict parameters and an intrusive inspections regimen for the duration of any mutually accepted deal. This lofty goal however, cannot be achieved without the capability of the IAEA to inspect military facilities suspected of nuclear weapons research or uranium enrichment.

    Contrary to what is imagined or purported by some, such inspections are not requested on a whim. The IAEA has many highly sophisticated tools to detect possible activity without entering a facility. They would only request access to a military facility if unequivocal technical/documentary evidence exists which demands an in-depth examination to either verify or dismiss suspicions.

    Without this critical capability, any P5+1 deal with Iran is illusion and a sham.
    Until we make all Nations in that neighborhood play by the same rules, and that would be Israel, then I support the Guard position. Iran has attacked noone and has not tested a nuclear weapon, whereas Israel actually helped South Africa develop their Nuclear weapons. South Africa shed its' nukes and perhaps Israel should also. Your "ifs" and Mights' on the issue are just the stenographer viewpoints from the internal propaganda machine. It has been conclusively proven that the USA created the sham nuke threat by Iran for political reasons, not for regional security or for USA National Security interests. At least we haven't used our smooth talking Libya intervention that spreads chaos, death and destruction in Iran yet, but hey, there's still time to bomb and kill Iranians. Demon's seed, don't ya' know. Probably related to Putin.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Until we make all Nations in that neighborhood play by the same rules, and that would be Israel, then I support the Guard position. Iran has attacked noone and has not tested a nuclear weapon, whereas Israel actually helped South Africa develop their Nuclear weapons. South Africa shed its' nukes and perhaps Israel should also. Your "ifs" and Mights' on the issue are just the stenographer viewpoints from the internal propaganda machine. It has been conclusively proven that the USA created the sham nuke threat by Iran for political reasons, not for regional security or for USA National Security interests. At least we haven't used our smooth talking Libya intervention that spreads chaos, death and destruction in Iran yet, but hey, there's still time to bomb and kill Iranians. Demon's seed, don't ya' know. Probably related to Putin.
    Can we see that "conclusive proof" by any chance?
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

    What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

    Maybe they will, I dunno.

    But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.
    And what about a testosterone-filled mullah?
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