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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    This "chest thumping for the locals" meme one sees among the left wingers attempting to breath life into Kerry's efforts is an astonishing exercise in wishful thinking. I seriously doubt that the generals would be saying this if the Sayyid Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader, didn't approve. Khamenei's own comments lend support to the idea that the "framework" is a zombie. Literally none of the important points in negotiations are agreed to at this point. I can't think of no reason for them to insist that there's any sort of agreement at all other than the American politics entailed.

    From afar and removed from the media hype I have to ask "what deal?"

    I don't see how anything has changed other than Iran has been green lighted and given wads of cash.
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

    What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

    Maybe they will, I dunno.

    But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.


    1. The IRGC is the body that actually controls the nuclear program. So what they say about it is sort of, well, definitional.

    2. This may astonish some of our posters, but Iranian leadership actually cares more about maintaining the support of the populace and elites than they do foreign liberals. If they are going to have a de jure / de facto differential, that differential is going to be designed to appeal to the hardliners, not American doves.




    Generally speaking, however, I never cease to be amused by the argument that the Iranians are just a bunch of liars, so therefore we can trust them
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it's not like there are any highly placed iranian officials who so object to an agreement that they would say things hoping to undermine it
    you know, like highly placed America officials who object to an agreement
    Yeah, this one is a bit more concerning. Like Simpleχity said, the Republican Guard is its own influential player and power broker within Iran. Had one of the hardline, conservative Iranian politicians or religious leaders said this, it'd not be as concerning because they're generally on the outs right now. But that it's the Republican Guard saying this ... it's notable.
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh?

    You are there?

    I love how the groveling Obama lovers always "explain" to us dolts what the Iranians are really saying...."death to america" means "hey, bro, 'sup"
    Well, who else are we supposed to believe, our lying ears?
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    0bama will give Iran what they want and remove the sanctions and the rest of the world will not "SNAP" the sanctions back on when Iran refuses the inspections.

    The second worst president ever - Jimmy Carter - could have prevented all of this by dropping a bomb on our embassy when the islamo dogs rushed in.

    Or he could have sent to VP and a nuclear bomb to Iran and told them to give back our people or lose Tehran.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, who else are we supposed to believe, our lying ears?


    Vast right wing conspiracies......

    I know a little bit about Iranian culture from expats who are in large numbers. I figure when those who were born there say "death to America" means death to America I am inclined to believe them over an internet post from the same people who "explain" Obama's statements
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    According to our administration, all options are on the table. Must be a really big table, huh? I can think of a lot of options.

    Heya HB. Uhm, that's you and pretty much the rest of planet. But we are speaking about Team BO. They're special and use their own round table.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    1. The IRGC is the body that actually controls the nuclear program. So what they say about it is sort of, well, definitional.

    2. This may astonish some of our posters, but Iranian leadership actually cares more about maintaining the support of the populace and elites than they do foreign liberals. If they are going to have a de jure / de facto differential, that differential is going to be designed to appeal to the hardliners, not American doves.




    Generally speaking, however, I never cease to be amused by the argument that the Iranians are just a bunch of liars, so therefore we can trust them
    That's Obama's foreign policy!

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is clearly just chest-pumping for the locals.

    What the generals say means nothing...now if the negotiators (who say what they are told from the leaders) say this, then it's something.

    Maybe they will, I dunno.

    But what some testosterone-filled Iranian general says means as much as what a testosterone-filled American General says on these matters...next to nothing.
    It is actually good news in that the Generals are doing damage control for the "hardliners". They aren't involved with the negotiations at all either.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites


    As far as I am concerned, if this is Tehran's official position, then it is a deal breaker.

    Nuclear weapons are under the custody and supervision of the military in every nation that has declared itself to be a nuclear-weapon nation. Iran has long been suspected of running two parallel nuclear programs ... one program for the purpose of generating energy and another separate military program to fabricate nuclear warheads and ballistic delivery systems.

    The P5+1 nations are negotiating with Iran for the express purpose of guaranteeing that an Iranian military program to acquire nuclear weapons is impossible under strict parameters and an intrusive inspections regimen for the duration of any mutually accepted deal. This lofty goal however, cannot be achieved without the capability of the IAEA to inspect military facilities suspected of nuclear weapons research or uranium enrichment.

    Contrary to what is imagined or purported by some, such inspections are not requested on a whim. The IAEA has many highly sophisticated tools to detect possible activity without entering a facility. They would only request access to a military facility if unequivocal technical/documentary evidence exists which demands an in-depth examination to either verify or dismiss suspicions.

    Without this critical capability, any P5+1 deal with Iran is illusion and a sham.
    The problem is that the Iranian officials are just idiots--they have poor social skills, or else they would know that they should publicly declare they approve of inspections, even though they intend to hide their most critical sites.

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