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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded, does that mean that Iran hasn't proposed any new measures? Practical can be in the eye of the beholder.
    If means that Iran has not proposed anything that meets the IAEA's thresholds, not that Iran hasn't proposed anything.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If means that Iran has not proposed anything that meets the IAEA's thresholds, not that Iran hasn't proposed anything.
    And who sets the IAEA thresholds?? I recall when the IAEA was dismissed by the Bush administration for failing to deliver WMD's on Iraq. You should recall a very angry Hans Blix who didn't hold any punches public ally criticising both the Bush and Blair administrations.
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And who sets the IAEA thresholds?? I recall when the IAEA was dismissed by the Bush administration for failing to deliver WMD's on Iraq. You should recall a very angry Hans Blix who didn't hold any punches public ally criticising both the Bush and Blair administrations.
    The IAEA members set the thresholds. The IAEA's standards and the Bush/Blair Administration standards (or goals) differed.

    The U.S. and UK chose a different course despite the inspectors' findings, assuming that the inspections 'missed' things (in part, there was a gap between what the Intelligence community concluded and what was found by the inspectors, and the U.S. and UK assumed that flawed results from the inspections were the more likely explanation for that gap). The inspections turned out to have been quite robust. The post-war findings essentially vindicated the conclusions of the international inspectors.

    Whether or not the U.S. or any other country will choose to adopt different conclusions or a posture inconsistent with the IAEA's findings remains to be seen. Indeed, I worry that political expediency may take precedence over the IAEA's own assessment (as it did in the run-up to 2003) and access to all sites relevant to its work.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The IAEA members set the thresholds. The IAEA's standards and the Bush/Blair Administration standards (or goals) differed.

    The U.S. and UK chose a different course despite the inspectors' findings, assuming that the inspections 'missed' things (in part, there was a gap between what the Intelligence community concluded and what was found by the inspectors, and the U.S. and UK assumed that flawed results from the inspections were the more likely explanation for that gap). The inspections turned out to have been quite robust. The post-war findings essentially vindicated the conclusions of the international inspectors.

    Whether or not the U.S. or any other country will choose to adopt different conclusions or a posture inconsistent with the IAEA's findings remains to be seen. Indeed, I worry that political expediency may take precedence over the IAEA's own assessment (as it did in the run-up to 2003) and access to all sites relevant to its work.
    To the bolded. That was exactly my point. Who's won out?
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded. That was exactly my point. Who's won out?
    Political force interceded. However, the IAEA inspection conclusions on Iraq were ultimately vindicated.

    Yet you now doubt the IAEA conclusions in regards to Iran. You can't have it both ways.


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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded. That was exactly my point. Who's won out?
    We all know what policy choice was undertaken (and the IAEA's having been correct). But just as many countries, including NATO allies such as France and Germany opposed the war, there is no compelling reason the U.S. or P5+1 must automatically ratify Iran's failure to meet its obligations to the IAEA. Indeed, lack of Iranian forthcoming provides insight into Iran's possible intentions and underscores the need for robust verification, which would include the ability of international inspectors to have access to any and all actual or suspected nuclear sites, including military installations, to ensure that Iran would comply with any commitments it makes in a nuclear agreement.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    ... lack of Iranian forthcoming provides insight into Iran's possible intentions ....
    share with us the insight it provides
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

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    share with us the insight it provides
    If Iran refuses to clear up the two outstanding practical issues, it suggests that one should be cautious about Iran's express 'peaceful' intentions. If Iran is unwilling to be forthcoming on matters that have some relationship to the nature of its nuclear activities, that lack of transparency underscores the need for more robust verification than might otherwise be the case. If Iran were wholly committed to a peaceful civil nuclear energy program, Iran would have little purpose failing to resolve the outstanding issues.

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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If Iran refuses to clear up the two outstanding practical issues, it suggests that one should be cautious about Iran's express 'peaceful' intentions. If Iran is unwilling to be forthcoming on matters that have some relationship to the nature of its nuclear activities, that lack of transparency underscores the need for more robust verification than might otherwise be the case. If Iran were wholly committed to a peaceful civil nuclear energy program, Iran would have little purpose failing to resolve the outstanding issues.
    as i see it, iran is engaging in rational behavior
    its facilities have been the target of continuous attacks by those allied with one of the negotiating members
    it would be folly to reveal the nature of a nation's defensive capacities and to expect that information not to be potentially used to their own demise
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    Re: Iran's powerful Guard rejects inspection of military sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Political force interceded. However, the IAEA inspection conclusions on Iraq were ultimately vindicated.

    Yet you now doubt the IAEA conclusions in regards to Iran. You can't have it both ways.
    The IAEA was ordered out of Iraq before having completed their inspections and were unable to make full conclusion. Which is to my point that the IAEA can be and has been dismissed.
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