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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    With the AZ law? If I remember right the court said AZ law went beyond federal law and fed law trumps state law, therefore it was overturned. I could be wrong though.
    Yes, I know what happened. But are you just suggesting that Christie do that? I don't think he has much of a case. Besides, Congress REALLY isn't going to back him up on this one. They've already decriminalized medical marijuana.
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    I really don't understand why he would support such a thing. Pot being illegal has been quite silly and an embarrassment for a long time and now that it's being broken down and solved I don't see why he'd plant a flag in keeping this mistake alive and campaigning on it. Perhaps this is what he thinks will differentiate him from the competition?

    The war on drugs is such an ugly failure that just makes things worse I really hope Christie goes nowhere with this because if he is successful he is just going to further promote these draconian policies.

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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    With the AZ law? If I remember right the court said AZ law went beyond federal law and fed law trumps state law, therefore it was overturned. I could be wrong though.
    You are correct.

    Over the last 10 or 12 years in fact, the Arizona legislature and former Governor Jan Brewer often thumbed their nose at Washington saying that Arizona will do as it damn well pleases and DC can kiss their butts. Their FU attitude has cost the state millions. We even have recent laws on the books declaring state's rights over several issues. Everyone except the state legislature and Brewer knew all of it was/bluster, but they did it anyway.

    Of course on issues where state legislature disagrees with the public the legislature is quick to cite the state's need to adhere to federal law.

    If I'm not mistaken we voted and approved medicinal marijuana three times (I think it was 3) before the state was finally forced to implement the law. The most recent time Brewer and the AG and the ultra-right legislators all claimed that the state couldn't or shouldn't implement the law because they were afraid the state employees who would oversee the program would be in grave danger of being arrested by the federal agents. Finally a judge ordered the state to cut the horsesh*t and do the People's bidding. The State finally implemented the state medicinal marijuana program a couple of years ago and there hasn't been any problem with it at all other than ultra-right politicians occasionally questioning the value of medicinal marijuana.










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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lol...what's next?

    Bringing back prohibition?

    It's 2015, not 1985...get with the times.
    The war on alcohol gave us organized crime.
    The war on drugs has given us the international drug cartels.

    What's next? Not a clue - but I'm sure some "well meaning" politician needing a platform big enough to support their massive ego will find some new vice to demonize into legislation... and votes.

    One can only imagine what manner of criminal entity THAT will spawn.
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    If this is the hill on which Christie wants to plant his flag, be my guest.
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    The war on alcohol gave us organized crime.
    The war on drugs has given us the international drug cartels.

    What's next? Not a clue - but I'm sure some "well meaning" politician needing a platform big enough to support their massive ego will find some new vice to demonize into legislation... and votes.

    One can only imagine what manner of criminal entity THAT will spawn.
    I could not agree more.

    One might think that politicians would not be so monumentally ignorant so as to realize that whatever helps organized crime is bad...but no.

    America could virtually end organized crime overnight by federally legalizing drugs, gambling and prostitution and removing excessive taxes on all sin items (like the above plus tobacco).

    As a bonus, police forces could allocate far more monies to more serious crimes, drug addicts could actually support their habits while holding a legitimate job (and paying taxes - since drugs would be SO much cheaper if legalized) AND could freely and openly admit their problem if they want help with it.

    But all ignorant people just echo Mr. Garrison 'Drugs are bad, nkay' and refuse to even consider legalizing them...even though those same people think legalized alcohol (which can often be just as addicting and destructive) is great.
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I could not agree more.

    One might think that politicians would not be so monumentally ignorant so as to realize that whatever helps organized crime is bad...but no.

    America could virtually end organized crime overnight by federally legalizing drugs, gambling and prostitution and removing excessive taxes on all sin items (like the above plus tobacco).
    And I didn't even mention all the black markets federal legislation has created for numerous vices the federal government doesn't like. Tobacco being one of the biggest.

    It is rather ironic how this administration is doing everything in its power to make lives living hell for those states that have legalized it. Problem is, these laws represent big money for the federal government.

    It's time we quit pretending this world is a utopia (let alone that it can be) and start dealing with these vices differently, with strategies that don't involve legislation, and tactics that don't involve paramilitary forces and prisons.
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    And I didn't even mention all the black markets federal legislation has created for numerous vices the federal government doesn't like. Tobacco being one of the biggest.

    It is rather ironic how this administration is doing everything in its power to make lives living hell for those states that have legalized it. Problem is, these laws represent big money for the federal government.

    It's time we quit pretending this world is a utopia (let alone that it can be) and start dealing with these vices differently, with strategies that don't involve legislation, and tactics that don't involve paramilitary forces and prisons.
    It's a nice thought, but I now believe that most people are too stupid/weak to think for themselves on most political matters...they just think what they are told to (but convince themselves it was their idea).

    Throw in religion...which is a bastion for social stagnation...and humanity is probably doomed to centuries more (at least) of staggering ignorance (assuming it survives that long).
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

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    Chris Christie vows crackdown on marijuana as president - CNN.com



    I like Chris Christie, but a guy the size of a refrigerator shouldn't be talking about addiction. I'm guessing he only complains about 'big government' if Cola-Cola is what is being restricted.
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    Re: Chris Christie vows to 'crack down' on marijuana as president

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It's a nice thought, but I now believe that most people are too stupid/weak to think for themselves on most political matters...they just think what they are told to (but convince themselves it was their idea).

    Throw in religion...which is a bastion for social stagnation...and humanity is probably doomed to centuries more (at least) of staggering ignorance (assuming it survives that long).
    Religion isn't the problem. We have these people in religion too - we call them "legalists" and their approach to religion "legalistic." They believe that as long as you follow all the rules, and there are rules for everything, then you are, or can become righteous. It's no different in the secular world; in fact the philosophy is precisely the same.
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