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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The Arab Spring was in 2011...
    There is a persistent delusion in populist circles of Europe that Bush was at fault for all. The EU crowd does not like it, when someone mentions the impacts of their behavior in anything approaching realistic terms.

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The seeds were set in 2003 when Bush wrongfully invaded Iraq.
    Lol, no they weren't. Many of these countries had a history of uprisings and rebellions long before the invasion of Iraq. Hell, most of the research shows that even the protesters in the AS did not see their demonstrations as being outside the region's traditions of rebellion. The seeds of animosity towards authoritarian leaders were set by them and the neoliberal policies. These neoliberal policies made it impossible for many of these traditionally paternalist governments to fulfil the promises they'd made in the past.

    Whatever the reason behind these 'seeds', Bush did not push for any Arab Spring or even so much as envisioned revolutions across the Middle East. Specially not in the countries where it originally started which were countries with stable relationships with the US. So how did he 'set' any seed?
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    MSNBC said hundreds were locked in down below like the Titanic. Very tragic.

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Got to love Merkel.. she has now come out and said that "Northern Europe is now forced to do something".. talk about too little too late..
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    YOUR words, and they reveal YOUR inner landscape. I said no such thing. Still didn't answer the question I posed.
    My words, your attitude. Let them drown to discourage the others....
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Er yes.. that was the Bush policy in the middle east.. or did you forget Iraq all of a sudden?
    That was an invasion, not exactly spontaneous demonstrations calling for the ouster of Saddam. In any case, that happened in 2003. I thought you were talking about the Arab Spring. Regardless, your contention that Little Bush was responsible for the Arab Spring is flattering, but laughable.
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    That was an invasion, not exactly spontaneous demonstrations calling for the ouster of Saddam. In any case, that happened in 2003. I thought you were talking about the Arab Spring. Regardless, your contention that Little Bush was responsible for the Arab Spring is flattering, but laughable.
    LOL so US policy under Bush in destabilizing dictatorships they did not like, had nothing to do with the Arab Spring..? Seriously? Do you think this crap happens over night?
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Allow me to insert a shaft of light amongst the heat.

    " ...The peak season for irregular Mediterranean crossings begins in Spring. Nevertheless early indications are alarming. In February, the UNHCR noted 50 deaths in 2015 compared to 12 the previous year; a significant increase. In fact the figures were grossly under-estimated. The scale of the most recent disaster was initially underestimated but as two more dinghies were recovered survivor testimony suggested that around 300 people, including young children, lost their lives in the latest incident. The passengers had left Libya in several small dinghies without food or water. Most were crudely labelled economic migrants, masking their personal stories as nationals from some of the most unstable countries in Africa.

    Compared to the same period last year this number presents a dramatic increase. Human Rights Watch, the UNHCR and Amnesty International have all recognised that the replacement of Mare Nostrum will only add to this death toll.

    The government has argued that the prospect of rescue encourages migrants to take this particularly dangerous route. The evidence offers a contrast here too. The increasing number of Syrians who are resorting to this route, in addition to Eritreans and Mauritanians who are also fleeing human rights abuses and political insecurity, emphasise that the demand for sanctuary and/or security is far more likely to be a motive. They are aware of the dangers but will risk everything in order to escape the dangers at home. This journey is rarely a choice but is rather a last chance option. Why else would people risk the lives of the most vulnerable family members? ... "

    Fact Check: was Italy's flagship immigration project a failure?
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL so US policy under Bush in destabilizing dictatorships they did not like, had nothing to do with the Arab Spring..? Seriously? Do you think this crap happens over night?
    Nothing? No, I didn't say that. But I just think you give him too much credit. I mean, I can just see all of these ISIS militants posting copies of Bush's Second Inaugural on their walls. These uprisings are rooted more in deep tribal, ethnic, and religious sectarian divisions than any longing for democracy as we understand it.
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