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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, Italy stopped a program, NOT THE EU. The EU in fact put in place an underfunded program to take up the slack.. and guess where the underfunding came from... Germany, UK and so on.

    Stop blaming the EU for this mess, as the blame should be laid at the steps of Downing Street and German Chancellery.
    I am not really interested in going into the details, but the EU has organized it in such a way that a few countries are forced to carry the brunt of the situation and the costs. That in combination with the restraints on spending in the recession because of the Euro is why Italy was hard pressed to continue Mare Nostrum.

    In any event it is clearly a European problem, though, you are correct that it is not easy to identify which members of Schengen-, Euroland or the EU or which of these organizations are responsible for what. But all you need do, is read or watch any news media in Europe.

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

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    Link please?
    Katie Hopkins, in the "Sun" I won't link there. It's an even more rabid rag than the Daily Heil.
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, Italy stopped a program, NOT THE EU. The EU in fact put in place an underfunded program to take up the slack.. and guess where the underfunding came from... Germany, UK and so on.

    Stop blaming the EU for this mess, as the blame should be laid at the steps of Downing Street and German Chancellery.
    I know this was a terrible tragedy, but I don't see how this is the fault of any EU nation. These people are not their problem and they shouldn't have to absorb Africa's lowest common denominator.

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am not really interested in going into the details, but the EU has organized it in such a way that a few countries are forced to carry the brunt of the situation and the costs. That in combination with the restraints on spending in the recession because of the Euro is why Italy was hard pressed to continue Mare Nostrum.

    In any event it is clearly a European problem, though, you are correct that it is not easy to identify which members of Schengen-, Euroland or the EU or which of these organizations are responsible for what. But all you need do, is read or watch any news media in Europe.
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    And isn't that minister correct? Wouldn't it indeed encourage more to come?

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Better to let the cockroaches drown, huh?
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Better to let the cockroaches drown, huh?
    YOUR words, and they reveal YOUR inner landscape. I said no such thing. Still didn't answer the question I posed.

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am not really interested in going into the details,
    Clearly not, since you blame the EU for everything. Details matter, especially in this case if people are to learn why those poor people have died.

    but the EU has organized it in such a way that a few countries are forced to carry the brunt of the situation and the costs.
    No again, you use the "blame EU". Who organized it that way? Oh the majority in Northern Europe, not the freaking EU. In fact the EU, aka the EU commission has been for decades pushing for changes and voicing its concern, but the Northern Europe countries, with the UK and Germany in front have refused to do anything.

    That in combination with the restraints on spending in the recession because of the Euro is why Italy was hard pressed to continue Mare Nostrum.
    The Euro has absolutely nothing to do with the situation nor the recession. Your problem with the EU yet again shows its ugly face.

    In any event it is clearly a European problem, though, you are correct that it is not easy to identify which members of Schengen-, Euroland or the EU or which of these organizations are responsible for what. But all you need do, is read or watch any news media in Europe.
    Yes it is an European problem and it is VERY EASY to identify which members are the problem, if the media were not blind and dumb on the situation.. which they are. The problem is a lack of co-ordination due to the lack of political will from Germany and the UK, with the rest of Northern Europe following behind. France use to be part of the gang, but has the last half decade pushed for more coordination.. which is why they are not "doing much" at the Calais border, since the UK refuses to do anything.
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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Sure. That is not so much their problem as they are not part of Schengen, having refused to join. That is part of the European sickness. There is a confusion of regulations and responsibilities so that responsibilities are poorly attributable. The argument that saving boat people encourages more is quite right. It is also often used as yesterday morning on Deutschlandfunk by a German Minister. Using it as an excuse to save money by letting the people drown is, however, disingenuous. And for a member of the EU to try and wriggle out by pointing at a country that warned the EUlanders about their idiotic fumbling towards "ever deeper unity" is pathetic.

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    Re: Hundreds feared dead after migrant boat capsizes in Mediterranean Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I know this was a terrible tragedy, but I don't see how this is the fault of any EU nation. These people are not their problem and they shouldn't have to absorb Africa's lowest common denominator.
    Well that can be debated since all of the African countries involved are former colonies who were left to fend for themselves by their masters and have never really recovered from that.
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