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You mean news articles years later trying to vilify a country?

Ya like the Iranian tourism website article? :roll:

Let me know when you have something substantial.

Here is a nice timeline and there is no mention of this "referendum".

Timeline of Iranian Coup

All the dates of the articles are from 1953, not 2008+.

Stop the revisionist history please.

lol, either you're illiterate or don't bother to read, from your own damn link:

Aug. 4, 1953
• Mossadegh, suspecting that British and American governments were plotting against him, holds a referendum calling for the Iranian parliament to be dissolved......

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-coup-timeline.html

And from the NYT's article contained in that link:


August 21, 1953

Mossadegh Quits Teheran Hideout; Is Held for Trial



Dr. Mossadegh, who had eliminated all means of an orderly change in government and achieved dictatorial powers before his overthrow......


Mossadegh Quits Teheran Hideout; Is Held for Trial

The only one posting revisionist history is YOU, I am posting incontrovertible historical fact, Mossadeq held a national referendum to dissolve parliament in which he garnered a laughable 99.9% yay vote after which he granted himself the power to make law by extending his emergency powers indefinitely, some beacon of democracy you have there. :roll:
 
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Yes you've been spouting nothing but pure propaganda and you can't contest the incontrovertible facts that I have presented. Tell me which part of my post is false. I'll be waiting with baited breath.

The whole thing is false, pure propaganda, and an effort to rewrite history in accordance with the US perspective.
 
The whole thing is false, pure propaganda, and an effort to rewrite history in accordance with the US perspective.

Yeah, you don't have a clue what you're talking about, get educated:

Mosaddeq did come to power legitimately — the Shah had appointed him prime minister in 1951 under the country’s constitutional monarchy — but his continuance in power was anything but. To win re-election in 1952, Mosaddeq stopped the counting of votes midway, after most of the urban vote was in — Mosaddeq’s power base was in the cities — and before the rural votes could be counted. This “secular democrat,” as Argo describes him, then suspended parliament and ruled by emergency power, decreeing sweeping land reforms that expropriated the rural land owners and established a system of collective farming under government land ownership. To deal with objectors, Mosaddeq relied on goon squads from the Iranian Communist party.

By 1953 his popularity was tanking — his nationalization of the oil industry, though initially popular, led to an economically ruinous international boycott that cost him support with the public and splintered his National Front party, a sprawling coalition of socialists, nationalists, workers and clergy. Looming nationalizations in transportation and communications and attempts to control food production further polarized society, with many fearing Iran would come to resemble the neighbouring Soviet Union, where an atheistic state controlled the economy and society. The final straw was a referendum Mosaddeq called to dissolve parliament, which he won with 99.9% of the vote — those who might want to vote “no” had to use separate ballot boxes, sometimes in different polling places, where voters had to provide their names, addresses, and their identity cards. Within 10 days of the referendum, the people took to the streets and Mosaddeq was deposed.


Lawrence Solomon: Argo perpetuates myth of CIA coup | Financial Post

In 1951, Prime Minister of Iran, the leader of the Social Democratic People's Front, Mohammad Mossadegh decided to nationalize Iran's oil industry, which was controlled by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later - British Petroleum). British attempts to exert "influence" on Mossadegh through Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi failed. Mossadegh held a referendum in which he secured 99.9% of the votes, assumed emergency powers, took over the command of the armed forces. And, in the end, deposed the Shah and sent him into exile in February 1953. The troops took control of the oil infrastructure facilities in the country.

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A referendum to dissolve parliament and give the prime minister power to make law was submitted to voters, and it passed with 99 percent approval, 2,043,300 votes to 1300 votes against.[56] According to Mark J. Gasiorowski, "There were separate polling stations for yes and no votes, producing sharp criticism of Mosaddeq" and that the "controversial referendum...gave the CIA's precoup propaganda campaign an easy target". On or around 16 August, Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mosaddeq's emergency powers were extended.

Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://books.google.com/books?id=7...v=onepage&q=99.9% referendum mossadeq&f=false

Mossadeq was aware of the plots around him and called a referendum which returned a highly suspicious 99.9% vote in favour of dissolving parliament and granting him emergency powers. Mohammad Reza demanded that Mossadeq step down and when the beleaguered prime minister refused, the Shah left the country, anticipating trouble.

The Pahlavis & The Last Shah of Iran | IranVisitor - Travel Guide To Iran

Facts are stubborn things!
 
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No NATO missile systems are in Denmark yet. But Russia has already placed nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad ... which borders two NATO nations.

You always conveniently ignore that fact.

All nations are hypocritical, though you always seem to ignore that fact.
 
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Bad things happen when you hold embassy personnel hostage for 444 days.

That was the culmination of Iranian angst over what the CIA did to their country twenty five years earlier, that you seek to diminish.
 
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And it seems that you've forgotten that over one million Jews fled the USSR at the first opportunity.

And exactly how does that diminish Russia's work against the nazis on behalf of the Jews? And upon the creation of the state of Israel, Jews fled many countries to move to their newfound land, and?
 
You're actually in disagreement with the facts as you usually are.
Which state sponsors more terrorism across the globe than Iran does?



The logical basis of such thinking is nonexistent. Russia has no right to just target NATO members out of the blue, regardless of what you may believe.



Well if you'd read the comments in this thread you'd see I have already referred to the way the Shah had came to power.
That you believe this is "terrorism" is ridiculous, and clearly I don't see what it has to do with the fact that Iran sponsors terrorism.



The opinion of William Odom is simply is own. If you wish to base your claim that the United States engages in terrorism or that it had engaged so in the past the way that Iran does so now you will refer to actual facts such as terror attacks carried by the United States or by any of its proxies.

As though your opinion is paramount to that of the director of the NSA, lol. Also, I see that you're unaware of the CIA's methodology in overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran to install a dictator, who terrorized the Iranian populace, until the Iranians thru off that yoke. Something you support in other ME countries. Yours, as usual, is hypocritical.
 
The Shah era has ended over 36 years ago, and your words carry no relevancy whatsoever to present time or to your argument that the present day Iranian government is not engaging in terrorism or even to your claim that the radicals were imposed by the US. Refer to these arguments that you've made.



No it's not. It's their agenda that caused them to turn towards the West. You don't see the Indian government managing terror proxies and ordering them to hit Western targets in revenge for the British colonialism era. Don't be absurd.

To the bolded, but US interference in Iran never has!!!!!!!
 
Are you saying the Russian invasion isn't aggression?

No. I'm saying it wasn't an "invasion". Do you think that the angry mob at Maiden Square in the fall of 2013, that burnt government buildings, overthrew the democratically elected president and fired upon his motorcade while he fled, was aggressive??
 
A) The Soviet Union shares the exact same amount of war guilt as the Third Reich for the outbreak of WW2 under the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact under which they divided Eastern Europe amongst themselves culminating in the joint Soviet-Reich invasion of Poland and Stalin fed the German war machine with wheat and fuel.

B) The Jews didn't steal Palestine because it was under British sovereignty and the overwhelming majority of the land was either owned outright by Jews or was British Crown Land.

C) The Soviet Union under Stalin was overtly anti-Semitic and promoted nearly identical propaganda as the Third Reich and Stalin committed numerous pogroms against Jews.

D) The overwhelming majority of Bolsheviks were ethnically Russian not Jewish, Marx was Jewish, but Engels the cofounder of communism was not, and Lennon was only half Jewish, communism as part of some Jewish conspiracy is nothing but a classic anti-Semitic canard which would play nicely to readers of Der Sturmer.

Lol. If the land of Palestine was "British crown land", it's only because they too stole it during the hey day of British imperialism, that you like to forget about.
 
As though your opinion is paramount to that of the director of the NSA, lol.

No, but it's you who believes that your opinion that Iran is not the number one sponsor of terrorism on the planet is somehow the word of God even though it is completely contradicted by the fact that no other nation arms, trains and directs more terror operations across the globe than Iran does. In fact it's arguable that any other nation actually directs terrorists like Iran does, since nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar are only known to fund terrorists and not actually operate them the way Iran operates the terrorist organization of Hezbollah for example.

Also, I see that you're unaware of the CIA's methodology in overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran to install a dictator, who terrorized the Iranian populace, until the Iranians thru off that yoke. Something you support in other ME countries. Yours, as usual, is hypocritical.

Nowhere have I declared my support for installing "puppet-regimes" in other nations, so that's merely a strawman argument on your side, per usual in your case. Also, you do not seem to realize what the words terrorize and hypocrisy mean.

To the bolded, but US interference in Iran never has!!!!!!

Bollocks. US actions regarding Iran after the ending of the Shah era were not "interference" like the installment of the Shah regime was but a direct result of Iranian actions.
 
Mossadeq was appointed by the Shah and ratified by the Iranian Parliament, and he was only ousted after he dissolved parliament through an Unconstitutional and fraudulent national referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yes vote and granted himself indefinite "emergency powers" because they wouldn't give him direct control over the military (some beacon of liberal democracy you have there) the Shah was still the legitimate head of state under the Iranian Constitution, it was not a coup it was a counter-coup.


The CIA-Backed Coup in Iran in 1953 | Timothy Chilman - Academia.edu

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

When will the U.S. admit that the U.S. was not only “involved”, but – as documented by the New York Times – Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950’s posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay)?

Your nothing more than an apologist for Western atrocities.

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/
 
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No, but it's you who believes that your opinion that Iran is not the number one sponsor of terrorism on the planet is somehow the word of God even though it is completely contradicted by the fact that no other nation arms, trains and directs more terror operations across the globe than Iran does. In fact it's arguable that any other nation actually directs terrorists like Iran does, since nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar are only known to fund terrorists and not actually operate them the way Iran operates the terrorist organization of Hezbollah for example.



Nowhere have I declared my support for installing "puppet-regimes" in other nations, so that's merely a strawman argument on your side, per usual in your case. Also, you do not seem to realize what the words terrorize and hypocrisy mean.



Bollocks. US actions regarding Iran after the ending of the Shah era were not "interference" like the installment of the Shah regime was but a direct result of Iranian actions.

You have no evidence of your claim of Iranian terrorism. Whereas I've documented the US use of terrorism around the world. It doesn't matter whether or not you acknowledge it.
 
You have no evidence of your claim of Iranian terrorism. Whereas I've documented the US use of terrorism around the world. It doesn't matter whether or not you acknowledge it.

Right, just like you claimed there is no evidence to Assad's butchering of Syrian civilians with chemical weapons on Syrian streets.
You seem to be living on a planet of your own, where all the evil arch murderers are angels and the West is the devil.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And if you believe that referring to the words of an ex-official of the US administration is "documenting" then you really have no idea on how to base an argument.
 
Right, just like you claimed there is no evidence to Assad's butchering of Syrian civilians with chemical weapons on Syrian streets.
You seem to be living on a planet of your own, where all the evil arch murderers are angels and the West is the devil.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And if you believe that referring to the words of an ex-official of the US administration is "documenting" then you really have no idea on how to base an argument.

And there isn't any. And General Odom, NSA director under Ronald Reagan wasn't espousing an opinion but fact, you're the one with an opinion. Want to quote wiki to prove your Iranian meme, fine, I'll do the same.

The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. These actions were sometimes accompanied by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Some argue that non-transparent United States government agencies working in secret sometimes mislead or do not fully implement the decisions of elected civilian leaders and that this has been an important component of many such operations,[1] Some contend that the U.S. has supported more coups against democracies that it perceived as communist, becoming communist, or pro-communist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
 
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Lol. If the land of Palestine was "British crown land", it's only because they too stole it during the hey day of British imperialism, that you like to forget about.

I'm Irish I don't forget it but before it was British it was Turkish crown land under the Ottoman Empire which YOU like to forget about.
 
The CIA-Backed Coup in Iran in 1953 | Timothy Chilman - Academia.edu

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When will the U.S. admit that the U.S. was not only “involved”, but – as documented by the New York Times – Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950’s posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay)?

Your nothing more than an apologist for Western atrocities.

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran | Foreign Policy

Never have I denied that the CIA was involved with the ouster of Mossadeq I have only posted incontrovertible historical facts that Mossadeq was not some beacon of liberal democracy and to the contrary he was authoritarian.

Oh and btw Post those CIA Files your source is claiming exist.
 
I'm Irish I don't forget it but before it was British it was Turkish crown land under the Ottoman Empire which YOU like to forget about.

Why would you say that, I'm no fan of the Ottoman or any other empires.
 
Never have I denied that the CIA was involved with the ouster of Mossadeq I have only posted incontrovertible historical facts that Mossadeq was not some beacon of liberal democracy and to the contrary he was authoritarian.

Oh and btw Post those CIA Files your source is claiming exist.

It's not the business of the US to be conducting regime change no matter what you think of a government. Btw, I did, read the link you quoted.
 
Why would you say that, I'm no fan of the Ottoman or any other empires.

And the Arabs got 90% of the Palestine Mandate which included 48% of the lands West of the Jordan River.
 
And there isn't any. And General Odom, NSA director under Ronald Reagan wasn't espousing an opinion but fact, you're the one with an opinion. Want to quote wiki to prove your Iranian meme, fine, I'll do the same.

The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. These actions were sometimes accompanied by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Some argue that non-transparent United States government agencies working in secret sometimes mislead or do not fully implement the decisions of elected civilian leaders and that this has been an important component of many such operations,[1] Some contend that the U.S. has supported more coups against democracies that it perceived as communist, becoming communist, or pro-communist.

Covert United States foreign regime change actions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's the third time that I'm pointing out that what you're talking about is not terrorism, you don't seem to be familiar with the English word 'terror'.

As to "my opinion", it isn't my opinion that Iran is the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world - it's a based fact. Read the Wiki article I've linked to that documents the countless acts of terror Iran is responsible for. If you wished to prove Iran wasn't the number one sponsor of terrorism you'd refer to an entity that is supporting and directing more terrorism than Iran has. There is no such entity however and your denial is pathetic, akin to a person who insists that the world is flat and that it isn't merely "his opinion".

US: Iran Remains Leading State Sponsor of Terrorism

Regarding Odom, his opinion is not a fact. No person's opinion is "a fact", the very assertion is amazingly stupid.
 
It's not the business of the US to be conducting regime change no matter what you think of a government. Btw, I did, read the link you quoted.

If a person comes to power through the ballot yet maintains power by force and fraud, then question must be asked and answers given.
 
Ya like the Iranian tourism website article? :roll:
lol, either you're illiterate or don't bother to read, from your own damn link:
Aug. 4, 1953
• Mossadegh, suspecting that British and American governments were plotting against him, holds a referendum calling for the Iranian parliament to be dissolved......

Timeline of Iranian Coup
And from the NYT's article contained in that link:
August 21, 1953
Mossadegh Quits Teheran Hideout; Is Held for Trial


Dr. Mossadegh, who had eliminated all means of an orderly change in government and achieved dictatorial powers before his overthrow......

Mossadegh Quits Teheran Hideout; Is Held for Trial
The only one posting revisionist history is YOU, I am posting incontrovertible historical fact, Mossadeq held a national referendum to dissolve parliament in which he garnered a laughable 99.9% yay vote after which he granted himself the power to make law by extending his emergency powers indefinitely, some beacon of democracy you have there. :roll:
After his surrender was that published; again it never happened in Iran.

Its revisionist propaganda and nothing more.
 
After his surrender was that published; again it never happened in Iran.

Its revisionist propaganda and nothing more.

lol ok you proved yourself wrong with your own link and have not been able to contest a single solitary historical FACT which I have presented. To reiterate you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 
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lol ok you proved yourself wrong with your own link and have not been able to contest a single solitary historical FACT which I have presented. To reiterate you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
No, you gave me a date that this referendum happened and there isn't a single article anywhere that talks about it on that date. If this referendum did happened it'd have been all over the news at the time. As the UK was in heated debates with Iran at the time over the oil issues.

Instead what you have is revisionist propaganda trying to paint someone as a bad guy because they wished to deal with the USSR instead of the USA. We did this to a lot of other nations around the same time frame, Cuba being another prime example.

In addition, I also have eye witness accounts of what happened in Iran during the 50's.
 
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