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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You do realize that we helped overthrow a democratically elected government and helped install the hated Shah and our presidential candidate Ronald Reagan asked them to keep the hostages a little longer to help him win the election, right?
    You do realize that all those historical players are long dead?


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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    You do realize that all those historical players are long dead?
    And yet it still happened... and people havent forgotten about it.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I disagree with you that Iran is "the number one sponsor of terrorism on the planet".
    You're actually in disagreement with the facts as you usually are.
    Which state sponsors more terrorism across the globe than Iran does?

    And many NATO installations are currently targets of Russia. If Denmark accepts NATO MD, they are added to that. You know that's not a big deal, but play it up as more than it is.
    The logical basis of such thinking is nonexistent. Russia has no right to just target NATO members out of the blue, regardless of what you may believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And apparently you are unaware of the US's history of the use of terrorism to advance its "interests".

    Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.

    The document shows that:

    Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
    The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.

    New York Times Special Report: The C.I.A. in Iran
    Well if you'd read the comments in this thread you'd see I have already referred to the way the Shah had came to power.
    That you believe this is "terrorism" is ridiculous, and clearly I don't see what it has to do with the fact that Iran sponsors terrorism.

    Professor William Odom, formerly President Reagan's National Security Agency Director, wrote:

    As many critics have pointed out, terrorism is not an enemy. It is a tactic. Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today's war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.[22]

    United States and state terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The opinion of William Odom is simply is own. If you wish to base your claim that the United States engages in terrorism or that it had engaged so in the past the way that Iran does so now you will refer to actual facts such as terror attacks carried by the United States or by any of its proxies.
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    And yet it still happened... and people havent forgotten about it.
    So have a lot of other historical occurrences.
    Your point is what, exactly? That it grants Iran the right that you apparently believe it holds to murder Westerners and Jews around the globe?
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    He is not so much a hypocrite as a thug.
    All thugs are hypocrites. They cry like babies when a bigger person slaps them silly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Wasn't it started as a 'bash Russia fest'? How dare those Russians say anything bad to those poor Israelis?
    Russia needs to be bashed over the head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    We send troops and equipment from the other side of the globe, and you would call it diplomacy I suppose.

    The Russians send troops and equipment across a river and you call it aggression. Got it!
    Surly you aren't serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    So far, there is no Russian invasion of Ukraine, despite the provocative actions of the US and NATO.
    You can't be serious so you must be a liberal troll working for a globalist progressive.

    There may come a time that Russia DOES invade Ukraine, to defend against what it perceives as belligerence by outsiders. Only time will tell.
    Once more you show a lack of understanding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    No different than if US troops and equipment crossed the Rio Grande and began shelling Mexico.
    No, not aggression but defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Other than the propaganda that you apparently believe, perhaps you should look closer at Saudi Arabia before condemning Iran. You know, the people who actually do sponsor terrorism by Islamic Radicals.
    I agree that Saudi is paying the terrorists not to attack them but Iran is paying terrorists to attack us.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So have a lot of other historical occurrences.
    Your point is what, exactly? That it grants Iran the right that you apparently believe it holds to murder Westerners and Jews around the globe?
    Who said anything about granting rights? My point is the causes of why Iran is acting like this- they feel that the West has done them wrong.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Who said anything about granting rights? My point is the causes of why Iran is acting like this- they feel that the West has done them wrong.
    Yeah and they wouldn't be wrong, but so would India, Ivory Coast, Algeria and basically half the planet.
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Who said anything about granting rights? My point is the causes of why Iran is acting like this- they feel that the West has done them wrong.
    I feel strongly that the dem party and their liberal horde have done this country wrong but I'm not killing people that look liberal or sponsoring terrorizing the left.

    Jimmy Carter refused to support the Shah when the people seemed to rise up against him but that wasn't good enough so they took our people hostage and have been killing innocent Americans ever since. Carter refused to take my advice and send the VP to Iran and demand the hostages be freed. Either free the hostages or kill the VP and suffer a nuclear strike.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    How did the US help create the Islamic revolution, pray tell.

    What on Earth are you talking about? The US didn't choose to oust the Shah, the Shah was a US imposed administration and the US did not want to see it gone, but the Islamic revolution led by Khomeinei and the protests were going to see the Shah ousted and Khomeinei's regime installed regardless of whether the US had decided to abandon it or not.

    It's extremely absurd to believe that without an American involvement the region would have been rid of radical Islamists.
    We over threw the democratically elected leader as is quoted below. Which when you mess with someone's government they are bound to not like yours. If you think we did nothing, then history has truly been re-visioned. We are the only ones to blame for the hatred we get and helped foster during our attempt to be an imperial power. The British learned their lesson the hard way and now we are learning ours. It is time to say, its over and done with and leave them alone. Not only for our sakes but also for theirs. The more we interfere the worse it is going to get and if you can't see it, just look at the Iraq vs Iran war that we helped cause. (USSR isn't without blame either) but when we help install a hated government and then blame the people because of our short sightedness.

    They were happy to fight amongst themselves for thousands of years, and it is our interference that has caused them to turn towards the west. Time to let them go back to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And apparently you are unaware of the US's history of the use of terrorism to advance its "interests".

    Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.

    The document shows that:

    Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
    The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.

    New York Times Special Report: The C.I.A. in Iran

    Professor William Odom, formerly President Reagan's National Security Agency Director, wrote:

    As many critics have pointed out, terrorism is not an enemy. It is a tactic. Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today's war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.[22]

    United States and state terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You do realize that we helped overthrow a democratically elected government and helped install the hated Shah and our presidential candidate Ronald Reagan asked them to keep the hostages a little longer to help him win the election, right?
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    I've searched around, but I can't find exactly what kind of weapons, how many, by what means of transport nor how they will be paid for.

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