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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In the late 30's Roosevelt was already scheming in Iran to deny Iranian oil fields German access.
    You are confusing dates. You do know that those oilfields were under British control, right?

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You are confusing dates. You do know that those oilfields were under British control, right?
    Yes, indubitably. And it was the Roosevelt administrations aim to ensure it remained that way, and Truman's and Eisenhower's.
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, indubitably. And it was the Roosevelt administrations aim to ensure it remained that way, and Truman's and Eisenhower's.
    After US entry into the Second World War (not something that happened in the 30's) the US did indeed support the Anglo-Russian intervention in Iran. FDR, Truman and Eisenhower did try to gently force the British to surrender their exclusive and extra-territorial rights after WWII, but did support the Western oil companies in their struggle with Iran.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    After US entry into the Second World War (not something that happened in the 30's) the US did indeed support the Anglo-Russian intervention in Iran. FDR, Truman and Eisenhower did try to gently force the British to surrender their exclusive and extra-territorial rights after WWII, but did support the Western oil companies in their struggle with Iran.
    Roosevelt was scheming to deny German access before we "officially" entered the war.
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Roosevelt was scheming to deny German access before we "officially" entered the war.
    Hate to burst your bubble, but the British were already occupying things there and there was zero chance of German access.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Hate to burst your bubble, but the British were already occupying things there and there was zero chance of German access.
    You're bursting nothing fella. I never denied the British presence in Iran at the time. And Roosevelt was at work to ensure that Germany didn't get access. I hate to burst your bubble, but Britain was in desperate need of US support. In fact without it they all may be speaking German. Btw, to the overall point I was making to somebody else when you jumped in. Decades of US interference in Iran is responsible for the sour relations between the two countries.
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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're bursting nothing fella. I never denied the British presence in Iran at the time. And Roosevelt was at work to ensure that Germany didn't get access. I hate to burst your bubble, but Britain was in desperate need of US support. In fact without it they all may be speaking German. Btw, to the overall point I was making to somebody else when you jumped in. Decades of US interference in Iran is responsible for the sour relations between the two countries.
    Britain did need US support. But the fact of the matter is that this didn't mean that there weren't areas of the world where the US didn't get to play. and Iran was one of them at that time.
    I just pointed out several rounds ago that you trace the US role and interference in Iran too far back and that is simply a historical fact. The 1950's and the 1930's are still two different decades.
    As to the sour relations between the US and Iran, those are primarily the product of the fact that Iran committed an overt act of war against the US by seizing its embassy and holding diplomats hostage, the act of an utterly uncivilized regime.

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    Re: Putin warns Israel against selling arms to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Britain did need US support. But the fact of the matter is that this didn't mean that there weren't areas of the world where the US didn't get to play. and Iran was one of them at that time.
    I just pointed out several rounds ago that you trace the US role and interference in Iran too far back and that is simply a historical fact. The 1950's and the 1930's are still two different decades.
    As to the sour relations between the US and Iran, those are primarily the product of the fact that Iran committed an overt act of war against the US by seizing its embassy and holding diplomats hostage, the act of an utterly uncivilized regime.
    OMG, you have one more chance to get it right, then I'll be done with you. Roosevelt was working to ensure that Germany, who Iran allied themselves with, would not gain access to Iran's oil fields. I don't give a **** whether or not you acknowledge that, Iran knows. Then, when Iran sought to nationalize there oil in 1951, the US and Britain conspired to overthrow the elected government and install a Shah that Iran finally cast off in 1979. Storming our embassy and taking hostages was a result of that interference. Then there was the US support of Iraq during their war with Iran, "the axis of evil", and years of sanctions. If you're going to jump in here and play, educate yourself, or you'll be talking to yourself, hear?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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