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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure who deserves death or not, I'm not god so I can't say. There are situations where you must protect your own life, and that may entail the use of lethal force. But it's still not a good thing to kill other humans. We should feel bad, even when justified, because human life has value.
    And it appears the elephant was protecting its' own life. Maybe it should feel bad about that. Maybe it does.

    That's fine, I'm just stating my opinion. Other people get to make posts such as "hahahah, serves him right, go elephant", and I get to express my own opinions as well. Of which include that cheering the death of a human is a bit sick.
    Yeah, it is a bit douche-baggy

    However, I must admit that I'm not torn up over it.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And it appears the elephant was protecting its' own life. Maybe it should feel bad about that. Maybe it does.
    Not really faulting the elephant either. It's an animal, it reacted as an animal may do. Hunting large game is dangerous, there's a probability of death, and if you do it long enough you're more and more likely to realize that probability. So it's not like I'm saying "****ing elephant, we should destroy them all!", just that loss of life is sad and I wouldn't be jumping up and down with glee even if I disagreed with the actions this hunter took.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It depends on what they were hunting, the biology of the creature (such as age, health, etc.) and the effects it has on that local population. You may find that with proper population management, you can end up with more animals on an absolute scale than you would have otherwise.
    I'd seriously doubt that the primary motivation for such hunting trips is altruistic conservation.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure who deserves death or not, I'm not god so I can't say. There are situations where you must protect your own life, and that may entail the use of lethal force. But it's still not a good thing to kill other humans. We should feel bad, even when justified, because human life has value.

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    That is completely an opinion. As is 'how much value.' Humans impose the values they choose on other humans and on other life forms. It's entirely subjective. And you cant 'force' people to feel a certain way. (Not that you implied you could force it).
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'd seriously doubt that the primary motivation for such hunting trips is altruistic conservation.
    I don't know either, perhaps the program does aim for that even if the participants do not. But the point is that your statement innately carries a lot of unanswered questions to it.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That is completely an opinion. As is 'how much value.' Humans impose the values they choose on other humans and on other life forms. It's entirely subjective. And you cant 'force' people to feel a certain way.
    I'm not forcing anyone to feel any way, that's pretty a ludicrous claim. Just stating an opinion. Cheering human death is a bit sick.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not forcing anyone to feel any way, that's pretty a ludicrous claim. Just stating an opinion. Cheering human death is a bit sick.
    Granted...I qualified that in my post after I initially wrote it.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't have to have any empathy for others, never said you did. It's just that lack of empathy isn't necessarily something I'd say is a good thing.
    I have empathy for loads of people, the family of this hunter for example, they did not ask to be victimized by the result of this hunters actions (his unintended death) but not everybody deserves empathy. Murderers do not deserve empathy, but as I am against the death penalty, I disagree with killing them. I also do not think poachers or big game killers of elephants and rhino's deserve empathy, I do not wish death on any of them (jailing is enough) but if they get killed during their actions to kill these animals then sorry, I do not feel sorry for him.

    And lack of empathy is a bad thing if you do not feel empathy for people who deserve empathy but as said, not everybody deserves empathy.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I have empathy for loads of people, the family of this hunter for example, they did not ask to be victimized by the result of this hunters actions (his unintended death) but not everybody deserves empathy. Murderers do not deserve empathy, but as I am against the death penalty, I disagree with killing them. I also do not think poachers or big game killers of elephants and rhino's deserve empathy, I do not wish death on any of them (jailing is enough) but if they get killed during their actions to kill these animals then sorry, I do not feel sorry for him.

    And lack of empathy is a bad thing if you do not feel empathy for people who deserve empathy but as said, not everybody deserves empathy.
    Lots of people try to rationalize lack of empathy for their fellow man. There are various reasons for the floppy morality, mostly dealing with either emotional outburst or trying to reverse engineer an argument. As I said, I wouldn't necessarily say it's a good thing. Even murderers deserve some amount of empathy, I'm not for needless torture or suffering imposed upon them; they are still human.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What past time? Hunting? Never.
    Hunting endangered species.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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