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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

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    Clearly both the Zambian and Botswanan goverments who introduced trophy hunting bans last year disagree with that argument. Other nations are considering their positions on this issue too
    Actually,, Botswana didn't ban hunting... hunting continues on registered game reserves is still allowed..

    Only on public lands.. and interestingly.. the science does not support the decision..

    According to the latest official figures compiled by the Department of Wildlife and National Parks on 26 animal species countrywide, the animal population in Botswana is generally stable while the elephant population has significantly increased.

    The elephant population was estimated at 207,545 with a 297% rise between 1992 and last year.

    Chobe National Park and Moremi Game Reserve confirmed the trend, while numbers were also building in Makgadikgadi Pan and Nxai Pan national parks.

    Another species enjoying significant growth was the hippo. This species generally tends to be undercounted by aerial surveys and may not yield reliable estimates, Ms Peake said.

    There was growth in the numbers of all other species except lechwe, sable, sitatunga, springbok and tsessebe, although these figures "were not statistically significant".

    The population number for lechwe declined 59% between 1992 and last year, while springbok and tsessebe declined by 71% and 79% over the same period.
    Outcry over ban on hunting in Botswana

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Actually,, Botswana didn't ban hunting... hunting continues on registered game reserves is still allowed..

    Only on public lands.. and interestingly.. the science does not support the decision..

    Outcry over ban on hunting in Botswana
    Well here is the governments official position

    No one will be allowed to hunt wildlife in Botswana, come 2014, President Lt Gen. Seretse Khama Ian Khama has announced.

    He said wildlife numbers were decreasing at an alarming rate, hence the decision.

    Next year will be the last time anyone is allowed to hunt in Botswana and we have realised that if we do not take care of our animals, we will have a huge problem in terms of tourism, President Khama told Sankoyo and Mababe residents last week.


    Botswana bans hunting from 2014

    The old conservation chestnut is just an excuse used to try and whitewash this morally repugnant hobby

    http://www.league.org.uk/~/media/Fil...nservation.pdf
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The animals they kill are just as dead though. I'd be a lot more convinced of their altruistic and conservational credentials were they sending their money out there to pay for extra veterinarians and game keepers instead of securing bragging rights at their respective hunting clubs . Pay to help kill the poachers not to add to their rare animal death toll

    Hunting Is a Setback to Wildlife Conservation | Earth Island Journal | Earth Island Institute
    I've heard all that garbage before. Let me tell you a little story. Turkeys were dying out here in Florida. Do you know who rebuilt their population? Hunters. Releasing them. Sure we hunt them too. But it was us.

    Who culls wild snow goose populations? Hunters.

    Who helped rebuild the wetlands up in Canada? Ducks unlimited. A hunting organization.

    And do you know what they do in Africa? Read some capstick. He participated in something called culling with elephant herds. You know that practice? Yea. It is sanctioned by the governments there as a "last resort." If you would kill off a few before they overpopulated...you wouldn't have to kill entire herds. And on top of that...you seem to ignore the major factor here: it isn't hunters killing off massive herds. It is government. It is population expansion.

    I have no public land to hunt here where I live. There are also few places for wild game to live. Why? Cities.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well here is the governments official position

    No one will be allowed to hunt wildlife in Botswana, come 2014, President Lt Gen. Seretse Khama Ian Khama has announced.

    He said wildlife numbers were decreasing at an alarming rate, hence the decision.

    Next year will be the last time anyone is allowed to hunt in Botswana and we have realised that if we do not take care of our animals, we will have a huge problem in terms of tourism, President Khama told Sankoyo and Mababe residents last week.


    Botswana bans hunting from 2014

    The old conservation chestnut is just an excuse used to try and whitewash this morally repugnant hobby

    http://www.league.org.uk/~/media/Fil...nservation.pdf
    So how are the populations of those wildlife animals doing on managed game reserves vs public land?

    We have wildlife management areas here in Florida. Game usually does better there than on public land.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well here is the governments official position

    No one will be allowed to hunt wildlife in Botswana, come 2014, President Lt Gen. Seretse Khama Ian Khama has announced.

    He said wildlife numbers were decreasing at an alarming rate, hence the decision.

    Next year will be the last time anyone is allowed to hunt in Botswana and we have realised that if we do not take care of our animals, we will have a huge problem in terms of tourism, President Khama told Sankoyo and Mababe residents last week.


    Botswana bans hunting from 2014

    The old conservation chestnut is just an excuse used to try and whitewash this morally repugnant hobby

    http://www.league.org.uk/~/media/Fil...nservation.pdf
    I believe once again you are misinformed...

    January 23, 2014 Press Release:
    HUNTING BAN IN BOTSWANA MESSAGE FROM PERMANENT SECRETARY of BOTWANA

    The Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism wishes to inform the public about the ban on hunting of wildlife in all controlled hunting areas in Botswana with effect from January 2014. No quotas, licenses or permits will be issued for hunting of Part I and Part II Schedule game animals as listed in the Wildlife Conservation and National Parks Act.

    Licenses will continue to be issued for game birds listed in Part III of the same Act subject to conditions to be determined by the Department of Wildlife and National Parks. Hunting in registered game ranches will not be affected by the ban.

    The decision to temporarily ban hunting has been necessitated by available information which indicates that several species in the country are showing declines. The causes of the decline are likely due to a combination of factors such as anthropogenic impacts, including illegal offtake and habitat fragmentation or loss.

    The suspension of hunting will allow my Ministry to work with all relevant stakeholders in understanding the causes of the decline and where possible, to put in remedial measures to reserve the trend.

    My Ministry will continue to monitor wildlife trends using suitable methodologies and regularly update the public on the status of the wildlife resource.

    The Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism would like to thank all members of the public for their cooperation.

    Neil Fitt, Permanent Secretary MEWT

    And again... its not what the science show regarding animal populations in Botswana.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    I believe once again you are misinformed...
    And again... its not what the science show regarding animal populations in Botswana.
    Hey guy you are kidding nobody here. Your disturbing desire to kill such creatures has nothing whatsoever to do with conservation and we both know it.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Hey guy you are kidding nobody here. Your disturbing desire to kill such creatures has nothing whatsoever to do with conservation and we both know it.
    And your desire is obviously to be against hunting...not conservation.
    The Crowd is not the sum of its parts.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    And your desire is obviously to be against hunting...not conservation.
    I'm certainly against trophy hunting hypocrisy which tries to claim that.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Hey guy you are kidding nobody here. Your disturbing desire to kill such creatures has nothing whatsoever to do with conservation and we both know it.
    It has a lot to do with conservation and being part of the natural environment and it has to do with enjoyment of a hunting lifestyle. You simply can't get around the fact that conservationists and the conservationist movement which has done much to bring natural populations of game AND non game animals back from the brink of extinction are hunters.

    You have emotion.. and I have science and facts on my side..

    You kill animals too.. you just take no responsibility for it.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm certainly against trophy hunting hypocrisy which tries to claim that.
    where is the hypocrisy? Please detail what is hypocritical?

    Big game hunters care deeply about the environment... they plant trees, donate money, do all sorts of habitat projects...

    They lobby for decrease hunting pressure when the science dictates it. They lobby and have lobbied for taxes on themselves to pay for conservation. They have a code of ethics when it comes to big game hunting.....

    and they kill game in accordance with the science of game management to insure a healthy and sustainable animal population

    so where is the hypocrisy?

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