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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And the Zambia and Botwanan government ministers I quoted clearly stated that trophy hunting has been banned because it has had a detrimental effect on their wildlife numbers.
    And blackmarket priced for poachers maybe? The REAL detriment to game is poachers and development of human society in their habitat. Hunters who make money off the game while following the law don't want the game to disappear.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Because we love seeing them. We love hunting them. We love being out there in the woods...

    Sure, we like to harvest or kill animals... but that's in many ways incidental to being part of nature.

    As I have pointed out many times on this thread... statistically the success rate on killing a big game animal is often quite low..

    Elk in my region are around 14% on average. Hunting is much much more than killing.
    Not sure I really buy that since you could be out there camping and hiking and still be in nature or whatever. Doesn't matter. Nobody has to justify their affinity for any blood sport to me (although some of the blood sports could never be justified to me). It's just not for me. I see mule deer and quail around where I live all the time. I get a kick out of them and my thought is not how much more I would prefer it if they were dead. Lol.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And the Zambia and Botwanan government ministers I quoted clearly stated that trophy hunting has been banned because it has had a detrimental effect on their wildlife numbers.
    But it's corrupt, right? How can you trust it? lol

    You're arguments are weak, they are not built on data or statistic, you have not quoted a single peer reviewed scientific paper on the subject. You use a government you admit to be corrupt as an example but then state it's corrupt on counter example to dismiss it. It's nothing more than a bunch of double speak to excuse calls for death against humans for engaging in activities that you do not like.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    And blackmarket priced for poachers maybe? The REAL detriment to game is poachers and development of human society in their habitat. Hunters who make money off the game while following the law don't want the game to disappear.

    Those governments specifically stated that they banned trophy hunting because of its effects on its wildlife and corruption between hunting companies and government officials abusing the system for personal gain . Illegal poaching is another matter entirely

    http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/worl...unting.html#cr
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it's corrupt, right? How can you trust it? lol

    You're arguments are weak, they are not built on data or statistic, you have not quoted a single peer reviewed scientific paper on the subject. You use a government you admit to be corrupt as an example but then state it's corrupt on counter example to dismiss it. It's nothing more than a bunch of double speak to excuse calls for death against humans for engaging in activities that you do not like.
    Errr.... Zambia I cited and Zimbabwe you cited are totally different countries

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    In Africa everything bites. There was a PH killed by a zebra. Bit on the neck.

    These guys are good guys. They actually respect the game. They aren't poachers.
    The animals they kill are just as dead though. I'd be a lot more convinced of their altruistic and conservational credentials were they sending their money out there to pay for extra veterinarians and game keepers instead of securing bragging rights at their respective hunting clubs . Pay to help kill the poachers not to add to their rare animal death toll

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, but you're splitting hairs there. You've hunted wild animals in a lot of contexts, and you know novices getting shots at 20-30 yards mean the 'hunting' is basically nil.
    No.. in the case of Bull elephants.. its not.. That's the point I am making. You can't make the assumption based on distance.. there are so many factors involved.

    Plus...I would doubt there are ANY novices hunting elephant... maybe the first and only elephant... but not hunting in general. The area to make a good shot on an elephant is quite small. there is a lot of tissue to punch through and it has to hit a vital organ.. (brain or heart).. or at that distance you are looking at a world of hurt from a pissed off pachyderm.

    I can't see a professional hunter guiding a complete novice to hunting on an elephant hunt. even if a newbie wanted to do it. WAY to dangerous. Plus.. being able to not only hit that small target.. but with a large caliber weapon... when three tons of charging death can be on you? Not likely.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The animals they kill are just as dead though. I'd be a lot more convinced of their altruistic and conservational credentials were they sending their money out there to pay for extra veterinarians and game keepers instead of securing bragging rights at their respective hunting clubs . Pay to help kill the poachers not to add to their rare animal death toll

    Hunting Is a Setback to Wildlife Conservation | Earth Island Journal | Earth Island Institute
    Again,... hunting is a valuable management tool... vet and game keepers don't accomplish that.

    Just to point out.. unlike all the articles that have presented to you.. which are based on the science of wildlife management...

    The opinion piece that you linked to has no science behind it.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Again,... hunting is a valuable management tool... vet and game keepers don't accomplish that.

    Just to point out.. unlike all the articles that have presented to you.. which are based on the science of wildlife management...

    The opinion piece that you linked to has no science behind it.
    Clearly both the Zambian and Botswanan goverments who introduced trophy hunting bans last year disagree with that argument. Other nations are considering their positions on this issue too

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Not sure I really buy that since you could be out there camping and hiking and still be in nature or whatever. Doesn't matter. Nobody has to justify their affinity for any blood sport to me (although some of the blood sports could never be justified to me). It's just not for me. I see mule deer and quail around where I live all the time. I get a kick out of them and my thought is not how much more I would prefer it if they were dead. Lol.
    MMMM have some barbecued quail over rice and you might change your mind....

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