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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the animals you are hunting are past reproduction age, then yes, killing them will maintain herd health and will not impact the numbers of future generations.
    And of course they won't therefore still be there for the tourists to see. How do you think Kenya has managed by having a trophy hunting ban in place for nearly 40 years ?

    So here we have the sale Elephants to make up for the money lost by banning trophy hunting and that's a good thing apparently.
    No we have the sale of elephants because the regime in Zimbabwe is so corrupt and dangerous to foreigners that its tourism revenue is virtually non existent

    And you still have no defense against the measured facts that these trophy hunts provide food for the poor, money for the preserve, aid in conservation efforts, and benefit the overall health of the animal population.
    So why are Botswana and Zambia now using the Kenyan model of non lethal tourism and have recently banned trophy hunting ? I'll remind you

    Zambia’s Minister of Tourism and Arts, Sylvia T. Masebo, announced that specific hunting licenses would be suspended as they had “been abused to the extent they threatened animal populations.”

    Now, the response of the Zambian government is escalating.

    This week the government took the necessary action to ban lion and leopard hunting, citing that populations have abruptly declined in recent years.


    You ain't sending no checks, so someone else has to. Maybe if you pulled your weight in this topic, other places wouldn't need to turn to trophy hunting.
    BS . These guys have the money to make a difference other than paying to massage their egos by securing bragging rights for killing the most endangered species unfortunately I don't
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Why do you think he killed himself?
    Indeed ......

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And of course they won't therefore still be there for the tourists to see. How do you think Kenya has managed by having a trophy hunting ban in place for nearly 40 years ?



    No we have the sale of elephants because the regime in Zimbabwe is so corrupt and dangerous to foreigners that its tourism revenue is virtually non existent



    So why are Botswana and Zambia now using the Kenyan model of non lethal tourism and have recently banned trophy hunting ? I'll remind you

    Zambia’s Minister of Tourism and Arts, Sylvia T. Masebo, announced that specific hunting licenses would be suspended as they had “been abused to the extent they threatened animal populations.”

    Now, the response of the Zambian government is escalating.

    This week the government took the necessary action to ban lion and leopard hunting, citing that populations have abruptly declined in recent years.




    BS . These guys have the money to make a difference other than paying to massage their egos by securing bragging rights for killing the most endangered species unfortunately I don't
    The article I posted clearly states that the sale of elephants is in response to reduced revenue lost by the ban on trophy hunting. And who knows why they went that route, I mean, Zimbabwe is so corrupt it cannot be used as a model of conservationism, right? That's what you said.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree with a lot of that. Just for fun I looked around at hunting safaris last night. One outfit reported that the average shot to kill an elephant is 20-30 yards. That's just not "hunting" - that's a slaughter. No surprise, they advertise success rates approaching 100%. I'd think so if hunters can stroll to within 20 yards of the animal.

    But as counter intuitive as it is, the motivations don't matter all that much. The tag or license for killing one elephant is something like $30,000 and that hunter will spend quite a bit more for guides, cooks, drivers, taxidermy, food, lodging to and fro hunting grounds, etc. And the economic value of the animals for hunting provides an economic incentive for the impoverished locals to protect the habitat and crack down on poachers who would otherwise gladly kill the elephant, saw off the tusks, and let the carcass rot in the field.

    From what I've read lots of these places are doing a good job of promoting photography safaris and that's replacing some of the need for hunting, but there's no reason as far as the health of the animal population that both can't coexist, and there is no doubt that controlled, regulated hunting doesn't pose any threat to long term outlook for the species. The more and diverse the interests who have an interest in the health of the wildlife, the better the odds the locals will make the efforts to preserve the habitat and protect the animals from poaching. Hunters and photographers looking after the populations and paying big money to see them/kill them is better (at least as we speak) than just photographers.

    Even here in N.America, I don't hunt much anymore, but I've been a member of Ducks Unlimited at various times. The members are roughly 100% duck hunters, but a lot of money from DU goes into buying up leases in nesting grounds in Canada, restoring wetlands, etc. It's basically to ensure a healthy duck population so hunters can kill more of them, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they're spending a lot of money and have a lot of people invested here across their range in healthy nesting areas and healthy wetlands. In my state the TWRA funded by hunting and fishing licenses manages (with the Feds) several waterfowl refuges for migrating ducks that are protected from development in part to provide migrating waterfowl with a place to rest along the way to their wintering grounds. Heck, I never saw a turkey in Tennessee till I was 20 or so, but TWRA with fees from hunting licenses and prodded by turkey hunters tired of having to go to Alabama or Virginia has reintroduced them and now they're common throughout their former range. I see them biking nearly every trip.
    Just to point out.. you aren't "strolling up" to a 3-4 ton animal with a bad temper and the means to crush you. The reason that the shots are that close are two reasons... number one... often the territory they are in dictates that you have to get close to get a good shot through the foliage... and quite frankly, the energy needed to get a hit to the heart or the head and make a clean kill means you have to be up close.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It turns out that I made the mistake in posting my first Rhino picture. My bad

    This is in fact the one she shot dead and was her first kill .... at the age of 13 !!!

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    If anything this makes it even worse. Why would any child want to do this ?
    Because she likes to hunt? Why do fishermen like to fish?

    Depending on where that animal was taken, the hunting of rhinos has absolutely saved the population of rhinos in parts of the world. The hunt is sanctioned, bid, the money goes to conservation funds, and the herd has thrived.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Something I've always wondered is why hunters wear t-shirts depicting living animals. Is it that they imagine how cool it would be to shoot it? Sincerely curious.
    Because we love seeing them. We love hunting them. We love being out there in the woods...

    Sure, we like to harvest or kill animals... but that's in many ways incidental to being part of nature.

    As I have pointed out many times on this thread... statistically the success rate on killing a big game animal is often quite low..

    Elk in my region are around 14% on average. Hunting is much much more than killing.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Just to point out.. you aren't "strolling up" to a 3-4 ton animal with a bad temper and the means to crush you. The reason that the shots are that close are two reasons... number one... often the territory they are in dictates that you have to get close to get a good shot through the foliage... and quite frankly, the energy needed to get a hit to the heart or the head and make a clean kill means you have to be up close.
    OK, but you're splitting hairs there. You've hunted wild animals in a lot of contexts, and you know novices getting shots at 20-30 yards mean the 'hunting' is basically nil.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The article I posted clearly states that the sale of elephants is in response to reduced revenue lost by the ban on trophy hunting. And who knows why they went that route, I mean, Zimbabwe is so corrupt it cannot be used as a model of conservationism, right? That's what you said.
    And the Zambia and Botwanan government ministers I quoted clearly stated that trophy hunting has been banned because it has had a detrimental effect on their wildlife numbers.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Teddy Roosevelt was a big game hunter. He was also a conservationist:



    Guess it was a good thing Teddy wasn't trampled by an elephant.

    Anyway, as always, when you look deeper into the subject things tend to get a bit more complicated:
    Well that is interesting. I had no clue.

    I guess it makes sense though. Now that bison/buffalo meat is available, the herds are also increasing, just not so much in the wild, but increasing nonetheless, iirc.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Don't they shoot man killers?

    In any event the story would have been better had the hunter been trampled to death by bunnies.
    In Africa everything bites. There was a PH killed by a zebra. Bit on the neck.

    These guys are good guys. They actually respect the game. They aren't poachers.
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