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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

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    So they really went over to Africa to help feed the locals then not to mount some exotic trophy head on the wall ? Is that now your contention ? The locals have been living there a while so I'm pretty sure they will have learned to kill what they need to eat themselves by now



    The WWF views the White Rhino as threatened and the Black Rhino as endangered. Given their are only 6% as many Rhinos in Africa as is estimated there were 100 years ago its hard to argue with their contention



    I'm not a fan of hunting per se but its the thrill killers of rare and threatened wildlife in Africa and elsewhere that I really take issue with
    How much money have you donated to conservation efforts for African wildlife?
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So they really went over to Africa to help feed the locals then not to mount some exotic trophy head on the wall ? Is that now your contention ? The locals have been living there a while so I'm pretty sure they will have learned to kill what they need to eat themselves by now





    The WWF views the White Rhino as threatened and the Black Rhino as endangered. Given their are only 6% as many Rhinos in Africa as is estimated there were 100 years ago its hard to argue with their contention
    Nobody said they didn't want a trophy. I said the animal is eaten. That seems to be your criteria for morality, is whether the animal is eaten.



    The southern white rhino is listed as "Near Threatened" which is only one up from "Low risk" and two short of "endangered", so limited hunting isn't necessarily unreasonable.



    I'm not a fan of hunting per se but its the thrill killers of rare and threatened wildlife in Africa and elsewhere that I really take issue with

    Yeah we gathered that. You still haven't explained why you get hysterical about the killing part, and make out like it is sick and twisted, yet you have others kill animals for your pleasure and don't find anything wrong with that.


    And at this point I'm pretty sure we're not going to ever get a real answer, just more dodges.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    So they really went over to Africa to help feed the locals then not to mount some exotic trophy head on the wall ? Is that now your contention ? The locals have been living there a while so I'm pretty sure they will have learned to kill what they need to eat themselves by now
    No they went over to Africa to have a hunting experience.. to experience Africa at its best. to enjoy watching, scouting, hiking and stalking a rhino... and if possible making a clean kill. If it was all about the head.. they could probably buy a taxidermy mount much much cheaper.. and make some story about it.

    The WWF views the White Rhino as threatened and the Black Rhino as endangered. Given their are only 6% as many Rhinos in Africa as is estimated there were 100 years ago its hard to argue with their contention
    That's because you are including all rhinos.. including the black rhino. In south Africa.. there has been a healthy population of white rhinos...

    I'm not a fan of hunting per se but its the thrill killers of rare and threatened wildlife in Africa and elsewhere that I really take issue with
    That's based on irrational emotion. Not objective reasoning and science.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The southern white rhino is listed as "Near Threatened" which is only one up from "Low risk" and two short of "endangered", so limited hunting isn't necessarily unreasonable.
    So you don't see the continued hunting of a population that is down to 6% of what it was unreasonable ? The moral bankruptcy of that comment pretty much speaks for itself

    Yeah we gathered that. You still haven't explained why you get hysterical about the killing part, and make out like it is sick and twisted, yet you have others kill animals for your pleasure and don't find anything wrong with that.
    I eat meat for food not fun

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post



    I eat meat for food not fun


    Bull****.


    You really going to sit there and tell me the last time you went out for steaks with some mates there was no "fun"?


    You don't HAVE to eat meat. It's not the only food available. You could be a vegan. You just don't WANT to because you ENJOY eating meat.

    Enjoy = pleasure = fun.






    Therefore animals die for your "fun"... while you criticize others for much the same, just because you don't do the killing yourself.



    That's hypocrisy.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So you don't see the continued hunting of a population that is down to 6% of what it was unreasonable ? The moral bankruptcy of that comment pretty much speaks for itself
    Depends on how the hunts are conducted, which shows the intellectual honesty bankruptcy of your arguments. Controlled and limited hunting can be in lines of conservation and help promote herd health. They're not hunting juveniles, or even reproducing animals. The ones that are often hunted in these controlled environments are the much older animals.

    Limited and regulated hunting isn't hunting down the population, it doesn't mean its detrimental to the numbers or the probability of survival of the species.

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    I eat meat for food not fun
    You could easily just eat a large variety of beans and avoid meat all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Therefore animals die for your "fun"... while you criticize others for much the same, just because you don't do the killing yourself.
    That's hypocrisy.
    No the hypocrisy here is your attempted conflation of the killing of domestic animals bred for consumption with the killing of rare and endangered animals for fun. Indulge that cynical apologism all you like it but it won't ever make such killing morally acceptable. Most will quite rightly condemn it

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No the hypocrisy here is your attempted conflation of the killing of domestic animals bred for consumption with the killing of rare and endangered animals for fun. Indulge that cynical apologism all you like it but it won't ever make such killing morally acceptable.

    No sir, the hypocrisy here is you're fine with killing animals as long as it doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities based on emotionalism and not facts.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No sir, the hypocrisy here is you're fine with killing animals as long as it doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities based on emotionalism and not facts.
    I'm fine with not killing rare or endangered animals for fun yes

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm fine with not killing rare or endangered animals for fun yes

    Those are some mobile goal posts aren't they? Earlier on you certainly sounded like you had issues with hunting period, now you want to make it about endangered animals.


    Already told you the animals in question are not on the endangered list under that classification, but like all the other facts that have been put forward none of that makes a difference to you, because it is all emotion.


    Well go have another steak someone else killed for and pat yourself on the back.

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