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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Making the kill is the culmination of the hunt. If you can't pull the trigger and make the kill, you're not hunting you're viewing wildlife.The kill is proof that you can steady your nerves, maintain your control, pull the trigger and take a life, so that others can eat of what you kill
    So in Africa the kill is therefore the reason you'd hunt given that you can do everything else involved in hunting with photography or you could pull the trigger of a boresighted laser and simulate your kill. The kill is therefore paramount not the hunt correct ?

    It is a recognition of our existence as predators, that we live through the demise of lesser creatures.
    Why would you still want to be a predator in the 21st century ?

    If you can't make the kill when you have the opportunity, then you're not hunting. Not making the kill is like not playing a sport to win.
    So you concede its really about sport/fun. In the context of rare and endangered wildlife in Africa do you not see a moral ambiguity in all this given population numbers of virtually all of the major species are but a fraction of what they were even 50 years ago ?

    Now, you explain why it is okay for others to kill animals for your pleasure while you judge those who do their own killing
    They are killing them for my food theres a huge difference between that and bagging threatened Rhinos for fun in Africa. But of course you knew that already
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Now, you explain why it is okay for others to kill animals for your pleasure while you judge those who do their own killing.
    I never quite got why people do this.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    ...They are killing them for my food theres a huge difference between that and bagging threatened Rhinos for fun in Africa. But of course you knew that already

    Sigh. Talk about dodging.

    It has already been established that the animals being shot in Africa are typically eaten by the locals.
    There is a species of Rhino in Africa that is not on the Endangered list, and I'm reasonably certain that's what is being hunted.

    Never mind Africa. You apparently hate hunting in general, from the sound of it. You make out like it is all about the sick thrill of killing.


    I've told you plainly that I hunt for food, yet you still go on about it.

    So you have no problem with hunting for food? No issues with hunting deer for the meat, even by 13yo girls? You're fine with that as long as it is for the meat?

    Make up your mind.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    I never quite got why people do this.


    I guess they think their hands are clean since they don't do their own killing. To me it just makes it hypocritical.


    I have no problem with people who eat meat but don't hunt, as long as they don't act like hypocrites in criticizing hunters and admit it is just squeamishness.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They are killing them for my food theres a huge difference between that and bagging threatened Rhinos for fun in Africa. But of course you knew that already
    There's a huge difference between poaching, or shooting an animal and leaving it to rot and these trophy hunts which abide by the strict regulations and oversight of game preserves, the meat is consumed, are conducted in ways that are compatible with conservation methods, and pay into conservation programs and facilities. But of course you knew that already.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm still waiting for your answer. I'm certainly not prepared to engage in your attempted deflection. This isn't about food
    Actually it is about food. That's another part you don't get. Hunting animals, except for predators, (and even some of them).. is about food as well. In fact.. as most hunters would agree.. among the worst thing that a hunter can do is waste game. Its why there is such emphasis not only on making a quick clean kill, its also about proper care of the animal after its dead so its meat is consumable. In fact.. waste of game is a serious offense in most jurisdictions.. and rightfully so.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is a simple question.

    The answer seems obvious...it's either tradition and/or kill lust.

    Both answers are lame and sad, imo.
    Nope.. that's not the answer..

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is a simple question.

    The answer seems obvious...it's either tradition and/or kill lust.

    Both answers are lame and sad, imo.
    Sadder yet to claim that a human's death was "deserved" based upon nothing more than your perception of a legal activity that provided food for poor tribes people and money for conservation programs.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sigh. Talk about dodging.
    It has already been established that the animals being shot in Africa are typically eaten by the locals.
    So they really went over to Africa to help feed the locals then not to mount some exotic trophy head on the wall ? Is that now your contention ? The locals have been living there a while so I'm pretty sure they will have learned to kill what they need to eat themselves by now

    There is a species of Rhino in Africa that is not on the Endangered list, and I'm reasonably certain that's what is being hunted.
    The WWF views the White Rhino as threatened and the Black Rhino as endangered. Given there are only 6% as many Rhinos in Africa as is estimated there were 100 years ago its hard to argue with their contention

    Never mind Africa. You apparently hate hunting in general, from the sound of it. You make out like it is all about the sick thrill of killing.
    I'm not a fan of hunting per se but its the thrill killers of rare and threatened wildlife in Africa and elsewhere that I really take issue with
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    So in Africa the kill is therefore the reason you'd hunt given that you can do everything else involved in hunting with photography or you could pull the trigger of a boresighted laser and simulate your kill. The kill is therefore paramount not the hunt correct ?
    Nope.. just like the picture is not paramount either. My friend doesn't hunt.. but he loves to go with me.. he understands hunting as well as a non hunter can. When he came out to visit it me.. he was talking about these rare owls that we have out here. I said.. Oh.. I know were to find them. Needless to say.. we ended up in a pit blind in the desert for days watching an active borrow. He did manage to get the picture.. and it ended up the magazine cover for a major magazine.

    The upshot is.. we would have had a great time whether he got that picture or not. the picture itself is not the sole reason he was out there.. if that that would be the first thing he would say.. and neither is the shot to kill. Its part of it.. but not paramount... if it was.. why would anyone hunt for seven years before harvesting a deer. I believe at one time.. that was the average time needed for a harvest. Seems like something else must be paramount huh?

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