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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm opposed to poaching, and where rhinos and elephants are concerned, that's their chief pressure.
    Poaching is not legal hunting.. which is what the person in the OP was doing. AND the realities are that legal hunting helps curb poaching by giving a value to the animals..

    Bans on hunting have been tried.. and don't work...

    Hunting bans across Africa have been relatively ineffective in protecting wildlife, as they reduce the value of wild animals and therefore reduce local interest in protecting the animals.5 Since the establishment of the hunting ban in Kenya in 1977, the country has recorded a decline in number by 40 to 90 percent in most animal species.6 Alternatively, hunting tourism has been extremely successful as it attaches an economic value to the wildlife and therefore encourages the cooperation of local people in conservation efforts for economic gain.

    Since the publication of “Our Common Future” in 1987, sustainable development has been at the forefront of environmental policy, attempting to combine economic growth and social development with conservation initiatives.7 At the International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation (CIC) workshop in Barcelona it was accepted that hunting tourism was an effective conservation tool with social, economic, and environmental benefits.8
    5. R. D. Baldus. World Forum for Sustainable Hunting [Marrakesh, 22–25 April 2008]. Budakeszi: International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation.


    6. S. S. Romanach, “Predator Conservation and Hunting in Kenya,” African Indaba, 5, no. 3 (2007): 22–23, http://www.africanindaba.co.za/Archi...dabaVol5-3.pdf (accessed 29 October 2009)


    7. UN Documents, Our Common Future, Chapter 2:Towards Sustainable Development, Our Common Future, Chapter 2: Towards Sustainable Development - A/42/427 Annex, Chapter 2 - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements (accessed 3 March 2010)


    8. International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation, Sustainable Hunting Tourism Workshop [Barcelona, 9 October 2008]. Budakeszi: International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If money talks they can give to conservationist charities. If they are really concerned with conservation then become game keepers or veterinarians working in situ. Its the killing they really want
    Where do you think the money goes? People visit the game preserves, pay lots of money into it, that money goes into maintaining the preserves and the local conservation efforts and staff pay to watch over animals and protect them from poachers. A lot of this feeds back into the conservationist programs and areas set up.

    So they hunt. So long as they aren't poaching, so long as its legal, that the game preserves are doing so along conservation and species population maintaining lines, what's the real problem? Other than you don't like it. I mean, that's really the only thing that in these many pages seems clear from your posts. You simply don't like it. Which is fine, and you don't have to do it. But why force your religion down other people's throats?
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'll try again .....

    Why would this African hunt 'culmination' you speak of have to be a kill rather than a photo or perhaps even a boresighted laser shot proving your skill ?


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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Serves him right.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Poaching is not legal hunting.. which is what the person in the OP was doing. AND the realities are that legal hunting helps curb poaching by giving a value to the animals..

    Bans on hunting have been tried.. and don't work...



    5. R. D. Baldus. World Forum for Sustainable Hunting [Marrakesh, 22–25 April 2008]. Budakeszi: International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation.


    6. S. S. Romanach, “Predator Conservation and Hunting in Kenya,” African Indaba, 5, no. 3 (2007): 22–23, http://www.africanindaba.co.za/Archi...dabaVol5-3.pdf (accessed 29 October 2009)


    7. UN Documents, Our Common Future, Chapter 2:Towards Sustainable Development, Our Common Future, Chapter 2: Towards Sustainable Development - A/42/427 Annex, Chapter 2 - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements (accessed 3 March 2010)


    8. International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation, Sustainable Hunting Tourism Workshop [Barcelona, 9 October 2008]. Budakeszi: International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation.
    Yes, but folk keep bringing poaching into this, which isn't the topic of the thread, and I was pointing out, I'm already opposed to poaching, so it doesn't need to be pointed to as a problem. At any rate, the African elephant is under too much pressure from it to be hunting them "legally" right now.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You haven't tried it, don't knock it.
    That wasn't an answer it was another evasion

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'll try again .....

    Why would this African hunt 'culmination' you speak of have to be a kill rather than a photo or perhaps even a boresighted laser shot proving your skill ?


    So your objection is the kill... yet you admit having others kill animals for your pleasure (your meals).


    See a bit of a problem there? A teeny-weeny contradiction? A hint of hypocrisy?

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You haven't tried it, don't knock it.
    That's your rebuttal?

    You could say that about anything.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    That wasn't an answer it was another evasion


    Fine. The kill is part of it.

    Not the whole, nor necessarily even the most important part, but part of it.


    Now answer my question above.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'll try again .....

    Why would this African hunt 'culmination' you speak of have to be a kill rather than a photo or perhaps even a boresighted laser shot proving your skill ?
    For one.. it would not meet the conservation goals that hunting provides.

    Two: Animals are tasty.. and I can't feed my family on a photograph. I can however, feed them antelope steaks.. that I grilled to perfection (if I do say so myself), which I did last night...

    Its one of the boys favorite foods by the way.. and they are proud that they contributed to the freezer last year. Come to think about it.. they contributed more than me.. since I spent my time helping them hunt and only pulled a trigger once on big game.

    So I have a choice.. I can feed them meat from a naturally occurring, naturally produced sustainable wild game population that lives in a natural habitat.. OR I can feed them some processed food that required intensive agriculture, large consumption of fossil fuels, and habitat destruction galore.

    I choose the environmentally friendly way to feed my family... how about you?

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