Thread: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

Originally Posted by JasperL

Those are apples and oranges. The first mistake is conflating domesticated animals raised for food with wild elephants hunted for sport.

If you your children were killed rounding up Grizzly bears, that's roughly equivalent. Or perhaps if the kids were in the field shooting the cows with arrows, and a wounded cow turned and charged them. Bull fighting is also a decent analogy - that's an actual fight to the death, and no, I won't shed many tears for the losing bull fighters, rare as them dying in the ring may be.

FWIW, as I've said, I don't have a problem with trophy hunting. I don't understand the appeal, but I do recognize that something like a wild bull elephant has a HUGE value, and those folks struggling to survive can either sell them (effectively) to wealthy trophy hunters who do get a thrill out of it, and maintain a viable population to serve that market, or they'll allow them to be poached, or kill the animals themselves for the tusks and let the carcass rot, etc. So in a lot of ways, it's a matter of how they'll be killed not whether, and by far the best method is controlled, licensed hunters paying big bucks for the privilege. It's sort of odd that we can save a population of rare animals by hunting/killing SOME of them, but that's how it works..... But when a hunter taking on these creatures, accepting the risks, gets killed, sorry but I don't mourn the loss like I would some kid trampled by a wild elephant on her way back from school.

Actually that's the point. Domesticated animals will die as well. When they are being herded up.. which entails being chased.. sometimes roped.. being dragged by the neck, then having a brand burned into.. before being loaded on a truck.. and shipped to a slaughterhouse where they are bonked on the head until dead.

That's the reality of domesticated animals.

That's the irony of the post. "Oh gee.., you shot hunted that animal in a fair chase hunt.. he had the opportunity to escape and you tried to make a humane one shot kill. Shame on you for trying to kill that animal...you should die.. I root for the elephant"

So where is the angst over a beef cow? AS I point out.. if that's the morality at play here.. should the poster not wish that when my kids participate in the round up.. that my kids should be killed as well, since they are essentially giving the animal less of a chance, and are probably making it much more scared and suffer more? If that's the philosophy.. then they should be rooting for the cattle to kill my children.

That's essentially the problem with that logic.

Originally Posted by Montecresto

Legal hunting may help perpetuate a species. But with a species burdened by poachers to the extent that it is endangered, no. The poaching must be arrested, effectively, and legal hunting has to be on hold at least. And that's for most game animals, but elephants are special, and should be managed differently, as SD has been trying to explain.

Elephants are not special in the science behind saving them from extinction and the importance of the animal having a legitimate value through controlled hunting.. rather than indiscriminate poaching. That's what the science shows...

Unfortunately... SD and others think that elephants are "special".. and are ignoring the facts, the realities, and the science.. .and that's why other African species have made comebacks.. while the African elephant and other "special" animals languish. Conservation methods and science including the judicial use of hunting have been proven for well over a hundred years... unfortunately.. facts and science are not in the anti hunter playbook.

Originally Posted by jaeger19

Me... why should I feel foolish.. its not like I just posted multiple times that she "KILLED" the rhino.. and then provided a link that proved I was wrong...

That would be YOU.. not me.

By the way.. since the animal was not killed.. there is no real rhino trophy head on her wall.

You keep talking about her "real motivation" with total disregards for the facts. The success rate for hunting is abysmal... so if the only motivation is a trophy rack.. then please explain why someone would pay thousands of dollars.. go year after year.. even when unsuccessful? If its "all about killing"..

Her first big kill was a white Rhino and I quoted her admitting to this. Her alleged 'lack' of success is reflected in her sick Facebook photos of a multitude of species she so proudly killed for fun.

Originally Posted by flogger

Her first big kill was a white Rhino and I quoted her admitting to this. Her alleged 'lack' of success is reflected in her sick Facebook photos of a multitude of species she so proudly killed for fun.

The Rhino was not killed... it was tranquilized and I knew it.. I told you that it was a picture of a tranquilized animal, that was tranquilized in a conservation effort.

YOU made great hay that it was killed.

You ended up with egg on your face... that's it.

And yes... she has a lot of lack of success. Hunting is not easy at all. Statistically success rates on killing an animal is very, very low...

This is all objective information that refutes your position on hunting being "just about killing"...

In fact.. the killing of an animal is so rare.. that's why its seen as such a big deal in the hunting community. Especially something like a leopard. NOW THAT is an accomplishment. I looked at booking a leopard hunt and it was a minimum of 20 days with an average success rate of about 20%. And that's high. That's 20 days of patiently waiting in a blind, hour after hour while the bugs eat you alive.. where one cough.. one sneeze.. simply too much sweat.. can blow a hunt. All to try and take one of the most elusive game animals on the continent. One that will eat you, or at least give you a serious headache if you screw up. Heck.. even if you don;t screw up. Even a hard hit leopard can settle your hash in a flurry of teeth and claws.

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

I find your hatred far more disturbing than anything she has done

I dont doubt a sizeable majority in the real world would view her activities with equal disdain