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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know if either would really be "barbaric". Humans do lots of things for sport, and if their hunting practices are within legal means, within conservation means, and tools are used to not torture or prolong death of the animal, I wouldn't call it barbaric. The animal reacting is just an animal reacting, not sure you could call that barbaric either.
    Got it, killing endangered animals for "sport" is not "barbaric", it is "civilized"....from the human perspective.

    Most folks would recognize that civilization is defined by the ending of hunter-gathering and moving to farming. Hunting is a throwback to an uncivilized human past.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Got it, killing endangered animals for "sport" is not "barbaric", it is "civilized"....from the human perspective.

    Most folks would recognize that civilization is defined by the ending of hunter-gathering and moving to farming. Hunting is a throwback to an uncivilized human past.
    Depending, of course, on the specifics of the hunt. And even for some of the rare animals, such as the White Rhino, the trophy hunts can be conducted in a way to help with preservation and conservation of the species.

    Civilization is defined by the making of beer. And long long long after we gave up the hunter/gather routine, there was still hunting. We even moved to domestication as well. I mean, how barbaric as that? We commandeered entire species for our own liking. heheh
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Great so if thats her primary concern then why isn't she a game warden or veterinarian out there then ? She isn't because she would then have no trophy head to put on the wall which is of course her true motivation

    Now ... don't you feel just a little bit foolish ?
    Me... why should I feel foolish.. its not like I just posted multiple times that she "KILLED" the rhino.. and then provided a link that proved I was wrong...

    That would be YOU.. not me.

    By the way.. since the animal was not killed.. there is no real rhino trophy head on her wall.

    You keep talking about her "real motivation" with total disregards for the facts. The success rate for hunting is abysmal... so if the only motivation is a trophy rack.. then please explain why someone would pay thousands of dollars.. go year after year.. even when unsuccessful? If its "all about killing"..

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No you prosecute the parent for the reckless endangerment of the child. What has that to do with anything here ?
    Nothing reckless about it.. it goes with the territory of living on a ranch. AS my children do.

    And if the argument is that you would root for the animal in a life or death struggle. Domestic animals are going to slaughter... so that's death. Do you root for them to kill their owners?

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So do you feel trophy hunting in Africa is a responsible thing to do then ?

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Nothing reckless about it.. it goes with the territory of living on a ranch. AS my children do.

    And if the argument is that you would root for the animal in a life or death struggle. Domestic animals are going to slaughter... so that's death. Do you root for them to kill their owners?
    Those are apples and oranges. The first mistake is conflating domesticated animals raised for food with wild elephants hunted for sport.

    If you your children were killed rounding up Grizzly bears, that's roughly equivalent. Or perhaps if the kids were in the field shooting the cows with arrows, and a wounded cow turned and charged them. Bull fighting is also a decent analogy - that's an actual fight to the death, and no, I won't shed many tears for the losing bull fighters, rare as them dying in the ring may be.

    FWIW, as I've said, I don't have a problem with trophy hunting. I don't understand the appeal, but I do recognize that something like a wild bull elephant has a HUGE value, and those folks struggling to survive can either sell them (effectively) to wealthy trophy hunters who do get a thrill out of it, and maintain a viable population to serve that market, or they'll allow them to be poached, or kill the animals themselves for the tusks and let the carcass rot, etc. So in a lot of ways, it's a matter of how they'll be killed not whether, and by far the best method is controlled, licensed hunters paying big bucks for the privilege. It's sort of odd that we can save a population of rare animals by hunting/killing SOME of them, but that's how it works..... But when a hunter taking on these creatures, accepting the risks, gets killed, sorry but I don't mourn the loss like I would some kid trampled by a wild elephant on her way back from school.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

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    can anyone tell me what is the purpose of the post above?
    It really is very simple but it requires reading TD's post first then your own.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and what you fail to understand is that legal hunting perpetuates the species while poaching threatens it
    Legal hunting may help perpetuate a species. But with a species burdened by poachers to the extent that it is endangered, no. The poaching must be arrested, effectively, and legal hunting has to be on hold at least. And that's for most game animals, but elephants are special, and should be managed differently, as SD has been trying to explain.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Legal hunting may help perpetuate a species. But with a species burdened by poachers to the extent that it is endangered, no. The poaching must be arrested, effectively, and legal hunting has to be on hold at least. And that's for most game animals, but elephants are special, and should be managed differently, as SD has been trying to explain.
    why, because you say so? I call complete BS on this and you have not demonstrated that you have any clue as to this issue. I don't find anything SD says on this to have any merit either. Licensed hunting of elephants is one of the main ways to save them
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why, because you say so? I call complete BS on this and you have not demonstrated that you have any clue as to this issue. I don't find anything SD says on this to have any merit either. Licensed hunting of elephants is one of the main ways to save them
    So, we're saying that licensing shouldn't be issued for elephants, they being unique, and not game. And folk will continue to work toward that end. You may call bs as you wish.
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