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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Actually you can. One of the ways to combat the poaching is to give the animals legitimate value to the local populace. Poaching thrives in part because there is no interest in the local population in "preserving" something that's seen as a nuisance at best.. and a threat to their livelihood at worst.
    The elephants are worth more on game reserves for tourism than for canned hunts. The problem with Zimbabwe is that its practically a failed state and thus tourism has suffered a lot.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Actually a cow will disable a fence charger. A cow will learn to lean against a charged fence, and take the electric pulse, until it can push the fence into something (like a bush or post) that will ground out the wire.. while the other cows jump the grounded out fence.

    No offense but you have no idea of what emotions or whether they are emotions that elephants experience.
    That is not what an elephant is doing. Unlike the cow, the elephant is smart enough to know that the fence charger itself is what powers the fence therefor they go after the device that powers the fence itself. Us and elephants are the only animals on earth that are that clever.

    As to the intelligence of elephants, scientists are studying them extensively.

    The Science Is In: Elephants Are Even Smarter Than We Realized [Video] - Scientific American
    Elephant cognition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Would I hunt an orangutan or a bonobo? Interesting question. I don't eat orangutan or bonobo..and would be hesitant to do so for health reasons... so I would be hesitant to hunt one just to hunt one. However, if it was a nuisance animal that needed to be controlled... and the method of hunting was well hunting that required skill? Sure, I would hunt one. Particularly if the meat and hide would be used by the local people.
    So you would kill an animal with the intellect of a child. Sorry, but like I say, I am no way anti-hunting. I hunt myself and fish all the time. But I don't think you will find many hunters that will agree with you on this.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I can't imagine how overpopulated deer would be in much of the East and Midwest if we were not hunting them. We had a 2000 acre heavilly wooded county park in the Kansas City area here that had the highest population density of deer in the country in it. There were well over 200 per square mile in the park. The over population of deer was devistating to the parks over all ecosystem due to their eating all the undergrowth and the insane amount of ticks. The only thing that could be done was bring in sharp shooters to routinely thin the parks herd down.

    That said, in Zimbabwe where this happened, the elephant population has been experiencing a rapid decline due to missmanagement and poaching, so there is no reason to be thinning the herd there. This was just some canned hunt on a wildlife reserve gone wrong.

    I am not expert on what goes on in Zimbabwe... I'm not in the economic class that can afford to pay for an African safari.

    However Jaeger19 seems to have a handle on how this stuff works... that the profits from the hunts encourage and enable the locals to attempt to preserve and manage animals they'd otherwise view as inconvenient or troublesome.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No you use the term 'conservation' to whitewash what you are really doing and therefore pass it off as morally legitimate thats all.

    We are not all so easily fooled
    You truly have no idea at all about hunting and responsible hunters. None. Here's a thought: read up on US hunting laws in the various states here, read up on what the fees paid for the privilege of hunting pay for, and then come back and apologize to those of us who engage in responsible hunting here in the US. Otherwise you should quit while you're behind.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A truly clueless statement.


    Hunting isn't about the killing, at least not for most. The killing is almost incidental.

    It's about a lot of things.... probably as many different things as there are hunters. For many, there is a love of nature (and nature itself is often harsh and predatory, in many areas if hunters didn't thin herds mass starvation would result), getting in touch with your roots as your distant ancestors hunted for game, the pitting of man's wits vs animal's senses and cunning, the long slow stalk or the long silent time spent observing, the challenge of making the shot... many things.

    For big game hunters, the risk is a factor as well. A positive factor.

    The kill itself is just the culmination of the hunt, but it is far from being the ultimate reason for hunting. The whole experience is the reason... especially since (as another poster pointed out) most hunts don't even end with a kill.


    One of the most avid hunters I've ever known personally is also an avid wildlife photographer, spending a great deal of time on that hobby outside of hunting season.
    serious question.... couldnt you go through the experience and use a paint ball gun ? or a laser pointer to "simulate the shot" and be "scored"...must the animal die?

    Im a con, and love the animals and we are their only voice....

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I am not expert on what goes on in Zimbabwe... I'm not in the economic class that can afford to pay for an African safari.

    However Jaeger19 seems to have a handle on how this stuff works... that the profits from the hunts encourage and enable the locals to attempt to preserve and manage animals they'd otherwise view as inconvenient or troublesome.
    The problem with his argument is that tourists spend far more money to take pictures of elephants than hunters spend to kill them. Even in the United States wildlife watchers spend more money than hunters. Americans Spent a Lot of Money on Hunting, Fishing, and Wildlife Watching in 2011 | Outside Online

    I am not saying that there are times when problem elephants must be killed or herds must be culled due to overpopulation, but that is largely not the case in Zimbabwe.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    I kill just so I can look like a real man with all the heads I have on my wall. I kill then have rhino horns processed in to aphrodisiac so I can have cool sex. I kill so I can reinforce God's laws that I am made in his image. Last, I kill because animals don't carry guns. I am a vegetarian.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You truly have no idea at all about hunting and responsible hunters.
    So do you feel trophy hunting in Africa is a responsible thing to do then ?

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    serious question.... couldnt you go through the experience and use a paint ball gun ? or a laser pointer to "simulate the shot" and be "scored"...must the animal die?

    Im a con, and love the animals and we are their only voice....

    If I didn't want the meat, I might do something like that. Sometimes when you go out "scouting" (that is, looking for signs of animals you might hunt later when season is in), you take pictures.

    A lot of hunters DO want the meat, though, and since a chance to take a good shot and get it doesn't come along every hunt...

    Not killing would also defeat the conservation purpose of thinning the herds so they don't overpopulate and starve...

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If I didn't want the meat, I might do something like that. Sometimes when you go out "scouting" (that is, looking for signs of animals you might hunt later when season is in), you take pictures.

    A lot of hunters DO want the meat, though, and since a chance to take a good shot and get it doesn't come along every hunt...

    Not killing would also defeat the conservation purpose of thinning the herds so they don't overpopulate and starve...
    I was more talking of the big game. Elephants, tigers, lions...

    If you eat deer etc..I dont have as much of an issue and understand..., as Im NOT a vegan and enjoy meat. but Im torn as Im very sensitive to the suffering and plight of animals

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