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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No, I am saying that the argument you are using that these legal canned hunts are needed to thin the herd is not a valid argument for where this guide was working at in Zimbabwe.
    You are focusing on one single aspect of my statement in one specific area instead of looking at the overall point. The animal also goes to the locals for food, nothing is wasted not even the bone. It also keeps the animals away from human habitation. The money paid by the hunters goes to conservation of the animals as well.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I grew up hunting, everyone in my family hunts. I fish all the time but seldom hunt anymore. I agree there are areas in Africa that are true wilderness, but this guide was on a luxury game reserve where you spend nearly 2 grand a day just to stay there.
    Well, he died happy I suppose. There are all kinds of venues available in Africa. I have no problem with controlled hunting there - I prefer that to the uncontrolled poaching over wide swaths of the continent. I don't highly respect those who engage in and support such hunting, but that's my preference and view of what hunting is - or should be. Too bad it cost him his life, but sometimes things manage to reach a moral equilibrium for all involved.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    You are focusing on one single aspect of my statement in one specific area instead of looking at the overall point. The animal also goes to the locals for food, nothing is wasted not even the bone. It also keeps the animals away from human habitation. The money paid by the hunters goes to conservation of the animals as well.
    You are making a blanket statement. There are countries like South Africa where herds do need to be culled at times because they overpopulate for habitat available to them. Then there are countries like Zimbabwe where there is no such need for culling as the herds are collapsing due to poaching and mismanagement. You cannot compare the situation in a country like South Africa and in one of the most corrupt and inept countries on earth, Zimbabwe.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You are making a blanket statement. There are countries like South Africa where herds do need to be culled at times because they overpopulate for habitat available to them. Then there are countries like Zimbabwe where there is no such need for culling as the herds are collapsing due to poaching and mismanagement. You cannot compare the situation in a country like South Africa and in one of the most corrupt and inept countries on earth, Zimbabwe.
    My argument has nothing to do with specific places... it is about the hunting in general, not poaching or where.

    You are trying to take your own initial blanket statement that I responded to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    But in my opinion a creature like an elephant ought to enjoy every right to life that we enjoy. If you experience the same emotions, family ties, and mourn your dead just like we humans do, then you ought to have the same right to life that we humans enjoy and unless that elephant is a clear danger to people, it shouldn't be killed.
    And make it about something it's not.

    Nice straw man.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    God bless, them! Everyone!
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think I've told you repeatedly now that I think hunting the endangered elephant should be illegal, they shouldn't be hunted for sport. I've never talked about poaching, that's already illegal.
    and what you fail to understand is that legal hunting perpetuates the species while poaching threatens it
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Slavery was once legal and represented a economic resource too. That didn't make it right either
    another completely silly comment that has no relevance. You'd be better off comparing the "enslavement" of domesticated livestock
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it is a crime, just like many things that once were legal and have finally been recognized for what they were. And killing an animal that is on the endangered list just for sport is a crime. There's nothing political about it.
    your opinion as to what is a crime has ZERO relevance in this discussion. You are just complaining and since your complaints are not factually based, you try to jack up the weight of your complaint by using a term that is improper but emotionally powerful
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