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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    For Elephants in Zimbabwe, a Deeply Troubling Present and Future | passblue

    This does not sound like culling but this sounds like massacring the elephants, in 7 years the number seems to have gone down by 37,000, the elephants in that region cannot survive another 7 years like

    The herald of New Zealand has a piece on this hunt in Zimbabwe Jumbo population down 40pc | The Herald

    Where it is written:
    In all fairness though there are some countries where they are overpopulated for the reserves available to them, namely South Africa.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    They are a lot smarter than you realize then. For example if an elephant wants to disable an electric fence, they don't typically just break the fence, they find the fence charger and destroy it. I am not saying they should have the right to vote, but they sure as hell ought to enjoy the right to live their life unless they are a clear danger to humans.

    The Science Is In: Elephants Are Even Smarter Than We Realized [Video] - Scientific American
    Elephant cognition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Again this has nothing to do with the thinning of herds for the welfare of the animals and man.

    In the end they are still nowhere even close to human intelligence. So no, they are no smarter than I realize...

    "This is the first experimental evidence for learned cooperative behavior in this socially sophisticated species," Reiss noted. Clayton said the findings support the theory "that cognitive abilities evolved independently in animals that are as very distantly related from us as elephants and crows." - Elephants Outwit Humans During Intelligence Test : Discovery News
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    An Elephant never forgets....

    Just not worth that kind of hassle for me, tend to go after animals who's family wont have a vendetta against me forever.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    For most the pure exhilaration of being out and about in an area controlled completely by the native animal population is something that will never be experienced. I'm not a big game hunting advocate. However, being out and about in Africa is something unforgettable. It's definitely not for most people. Too bad this fellow died, but he knew the risks. That's why he was there.
    He wasn't in a primeval wilderness, he was on a game reserve. I would love to go to Africa but lets call a spade a spade here. This guy was on what is little more than a canned hunt. If you want the true primeval wilderness experience, strap a pack on and head out to one of our large federal wilderness areas out west or up in Canada. Hell I have stood on glaciers with my son where we were days walk from the nearest road, and no locals drove us up there in a land rover, set up all our camps for us, and carted our gear around. If something happened or if the rare event we had an issue with a grizzly, the only way of getting help would be with a sat phone. That is a true primeval experience. Going on some canned hunt / luxury safari in Africa isn't. Its what wealthy westerners do when they want to pretend they are a badass.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    He wasn't in a primeval wilderness, he was on a game reserve. I would love to go to Africa but lets call a spade a spade here. This guy was on what is little more than a canned hunt. If you want the true primeval wilderness experience, strap a pack on and head out to one of our large federal wilderness areas out west or up in Canada. Hell I have stood on glaciers with my son where we were days walk from the nearest road, and no locals drove us up there in a land rover, set up all our camps for us, and carted our gear around. If something happened or if the rare event we had an issue with a grizzly, the only way of getting help would be with a sat phone. That is a true primeval experience. Going on some canned hunt / luxury safari in Africa isn't. Its what wealthy westerners do when they want to pretend they are a badass.
    The risks remain, especially in Africa, whether it's on a game reserve or not. There are large swaths of Africa designated as game reserves for purposes of protecting the wildlife. Of course, there are other areas that are as you describe. I've been in wilderness all over the place, including Africa - not hunting. I also hunt from time to time.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Again this has nothing to do with the thinning of herds for the welfare of the animals and man.

    In the end they are still nowhere even close to human intelligence. So no, they are no smarter than I realize...

    "This is the first experimental evidence for learned cooperative behavior in this socially sophisticated species," Reiss noted. Clayton said the findings support the theory "that cognitive abilities evolved independently in animals that are as very distantly related from us as elephants and crows." - Elephants Outwit Humans During Intelligence Test : Discovery News
    The hunt was in a remote area of Zimbabwe, a country where elephant populations are collapsing. The Number of Elephants in Parts of Zimbabwe Is Plunging - Bloomberg Business
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The risks remain, especially in Africa, whether it's on a game reserve or not. There are large swaths of Africa designated as game reserves for purposes of protecting the wildlife. Of course, there are other areas that are as you describe. I've been in wilderness all over the place, including Africa - not hunting. I also hunt from time to time.
    I grew up hunting, everyone in my family hunts. I fish all the time but seldom hunt anymore. I agree there are areas in Africa that are true wilderness, but this guide was on a luxury game reserve where you spend nearly 2 grand a day just to stay there.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The hunt was in a remote area of Zimbabwe, a country where elephant populations are collapsing. The Number of Elephants in Parts of Zimbabwe Is Plunging - Bloomberg Business
    The threat is from "poachers" not legal hunts. Huge difference. The first line in your article...

    Elephants are under threat from poachers in Zimbabwe

    So you are now trying to compare legal sanctioned hunts to poaching?
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    The threat is from "poachers" not legal hunts. Huge difference. The first line in your article...

    Elephants are under threat from poachers in Zimbabwe

    So you are now trying to compare legal sanctioned hunts to poaching?
    No, I am saying that the argument you are using that these legal canned hunts are needed to thin the herd is not a valid argument for where this guide was working at in Zimbabwe.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When will this ridiculous pass time be banned?
    Never, in the near future, but in the far future - yes - and lets hope that man develops enough to cause a "ban" to be un-necessary.
    "pass time" = pastime ? right ?

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