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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Big game hunters and those who buy guns and ammo have done far more for American wildlife than all the animal "rights" groups combined.
    absolutely...without a doubt.

    and we should give big kudos to the african governments who are sending out Rangers to hunt poachers.... those dudes are literally at war.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Big game hunters and those who buy guns and ammo have done far more for American wildlife than all the animal "rights" groups combined.
    The other thing, is this guy seems to have a huge disdain of trophy hunters and animalistic sense I can see why everyone might have a problem with big game trophy hunters, but in a practical sense they are actually good for the herd, trophy hunters want the big head with the big tusks on it, so they will be more inclined to shoot an older elephant who is sickly a nearing death who is lived to spread his jeans to many generations, then to shoot a younger elephant as a hunter for meat would. So tropia elephants have probably already procreated multiple times and they're becoming more of a burden than an asset for their herds, it's like pruning dead branches off of a tree, it doesn't kill the tree to remove deadwood from it helps it
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Big game hunters and those who buy guns and ammo have done far more for American wildlife than all the animal "rights" groups combined.
    I've never hunted in my life, hunting is a sport never appealed to me, and I just am not interested in it but I fully support the right of people who do like to hunt to hunt.

    I just don't like killing animals, no I have done it I've slaughter chickens so when I do that all the time, and I have also shot raccoons that were attacking my chickens, but I don't enjoy doing it, I see it as a nessecary chore.

    Yes I know where the meat I eat comes from, and I am more than willing to pay someone else to deal with killing in packing meat for me, hunting is a necessity, and it for me it's just not recreation so I don't do it
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't either-I never hunted elephants because I don't shoot stuff I don't eat unless its woodchucks digging up my horse barn or coyotes killing my ducks or cats or starlings crapping on my roof. But you obviously are unable to tell the difference between poachers and licensed hunters since that article you posted is about POACHING and what professional hunters do is LICENSED

    and what you think is stupid really doesn't matter to me. I at least am smart enough to understand that posting an article about poaching is a worthless authority to attack legal hunting. but then again I read it and I understand the difference. I have serious doubts you did both
    I think I've told you repeatedly now that I think hunting the endangered elephant should be illegal, they shouldn't be hunted for sport. I've never talked about poaching, that's already illegal.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those are the breaks, indeed, but it's still as I stated. Feeling noting for the loss of human life is a bit sick, IMO.
    You're being a bit righteous IMO. I'm not cheering his death but I don't lament it either. It's called non-attachment. You engage in a high risk sport and you could die. I don't care to partake in the veneration of some human who I don't even know and have zero loyalty toward.

    It just also so happens that I find trophy elephant hunting to be outdated and immoral, regardless if it's legal or not. The ivory trade is fueled by selfish morons who are part of the era that believes in the prestige of ivory ownership. Zero respect for that, and one less hunter on planet earth is one more protection for the elephants who are by most measure quite sentient and did not ask to be attacked. If a rape victim managed to kill their attacker I wouldn't shed a tear over that either.

    So yeah, nitpick over how immoral we all are for not getting down on our knees and balling because some old fogey hunter finally got his karmic reward for all the pain he has caused wild animals. I would not mourn whalers, Alaskan fishermen, or anyone else either. People's choices lead to consequences and that's not my problem.

    But I guess whatever makes you feel like the homo superior.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You should educate yourself on African Elephants. They are not like the whitetail deer in your backyard. They are nearly as smart as we are. They experience every emotion we do. They are self aware. They are capable of empathy and have a notion of right and wrong. They also mourn their dead. I have no problem with hunting. I grew up hunting, most of my friends hunt, most of my family hunts. But in my opinion a creature like an elephant ought to enjoy every right to life that we enjoy. If you experience the same emotions, family ties, and mourn your dead just like we humans do, then you ought to have the same right to life that we humans enjoy and unless that elephant is a clear danger to people, it shouldn't be killed.
    They are not "They are nearly as smart as we are" not even close. They are intelligent as far as animals go, but this does not afford them "human" status.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not where hunting them is legal.

    Where hunting them is legal they are an economic resource
    Slavery was once legal and represented a economic resource too. That didn't make it right either
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Personally I go to the deer woods and hang at camp. I shoot lots of animals on my property that cause various harm to my ranch and livestock. But I don't travel to Kenya to shoot elephants. That's stupid.
    Conservation and 'hunting' are their apologist excuses for it.

    The love of killing is the real reason

    Its why such people would actually want to travel thousands of miles to proactively kill such creatures is what I find so morally repugnant. Why not just shoot it with a camera ?
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Those articles are true for Africa as a whole, but false for individual countries. Some African countries (South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, and possibly Zimbabwe) have very sustainable herds that need to be culled.

    Though most of the people doing the culling (wealthy game hunters) have pleasant personalities, their numbers undoubtably include a few wealthy jerks. That does not detract from the money that they spend locally, nor does it detract from the needed culling they provide. Likewise alot of eco tourism attract wealthy customers. Undoubtably, their numbers include a few wealthy jerks as well- just with a different socio poltical spin.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You might have a different opinion if you're a subsistence farmer making less then a dollar a day and the damn thing is uprooting your crops again.

    The moralism of killing creatures "almost as smart as us" doesn't move me, dogs mourn their own too, and they're on the menu as well most places outside of Europe and North America
    No country propers by destroying its ecosystem. Its every bit as much interest for the poor farmer to protect their elephants as it is for anyone else. Moreover, a dog is simply not comparable to an elephant in terms of intelligence or emotional capability.
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