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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

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    which is exactly why we need proper and measured conservation measures taken to ensure they survive....culling herds is a proven effective method of ensuring the health and productivity of the herd... that's just, like, science, man.

    if you are of the opinion that hunting these male animals has a negative effect... that's been measured too.
    trophy hunting takes between 2 and 5% of the male population of a herd, which has been studied and shown to have no negative effect on heard growth or health.
    especially considering the mature bulls that are most prized no longer add to the herd in terms of growth or health.

    its fine to have feeling about the animals, but don't let those feeling get in the way of proper herd management.

    herd management isn't the only benefit to trophy hunting... there are plenty of benefits.
    trophy hunting provide a great financial incentive to local economies.. it provides funding for game preserves, it feeds local villages,.. and , in some case, it directly causes the reintroduction of animals into an ecosytem.. such as the black wildebeests and cape mountain zebra into south africa.



    take on the real problems... reckless hunters and poachers..... they screw up everything.
    we should be able to hunt poachers as well as elephants... and even pose for pictures with them
    anti hunters are much like anti gun extremists, they cannot tell the difference between legitimate licensed hunters and poachers just like gun haters lump honest gun owners with gangsters. that is because their hatred is for the act of HUNTING not whether its done legally and properly or illegally and surreptitiously. His own article said the threat to elephants was POACHING and he posted that as an attack on lawful hunting which proves to me

    he's against hunting period
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's only "debatable" to those whom ignore science.
    There's all sorts of science. And this subject is debated routinely. There is no consensus and it will continue to be a point of contention. It's not all wrapped up just because you think shooting elephants is smart.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anti hunters are much like anti gun extremists, they cannot tell the difference between legitimate licensed hunters and poachers just like gun haters lump honest gun owners with gangsters. that is because their hatred is for the act of HUNTING not whether its done legally and properly or illegally and surreptitiously. His own article said the threat to elephants was POACHING and he posted that as an attack on lawful hunting which proves to me

    he's against hunting period
    Personally I go to the deer woods and hang at camp. I shoot lots of animals on my property that cause various harm to my ranch and livestock. But I don't travel to Kenya to shoot elephants. That's stupid.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's only "debatable" to those whom ignore science.
    Yep, look at the success of conservation everywhere, the Pittman Robertson act is why the whitetail deer and wood duck are not extinct
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You might have a different opinion if you're a subsistence farmer making less then a dollar a day and the damn thing is uprooting your crops again.

    The moralism of killing creatures "almost as smart as us" doesn't move me, dogs mourn their own too, and they're on the menu as well most places outside of Europe and North America


    THough he is totally nuts on 99% of the issues-loon bird Lyndon LaRouche (who came to Yale in 1980 as part of the Yale Political Union (I was an officer-chair of the liberal party-yep the Liberal party) effort to get every candidate on the CT ticket to appear, said that environmental extremism is usually the province of rich spoiled urbanites (I cannot recall if "yuppie" was in use back then) because they want to deny the poor the value of natural resources so they can have pristine playgrounds to backpack and canoe in. Environmentalists would rather have loggers starve so they can see a couple more spotted owls on their back packing trips.

    In this rare instance, he is right about the anti hunting Americans
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Yep, look at the success of conservation everywhere, the Pittman Robertson act is why the whitetail deer and wood duck are not extinct
    Big game hunters and those who buy guns and ammo have done far more for American wildlife than all the animal "rights" groups combined.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Personally I go to the deer woods and hang at camp. I shoot lots of animals on my property that cause various harm to my ranch and livestock. But I don't travel to Kenya to shoot elephants. That's stupid.
    I don't either-I never hunted elephants because I don't shoot stuff I don't eat unless its woodchucks digging up my horse barn or coyotes killing my ducks or cats or starlings crapping on my roof. But you obviously are unable to tell the difference between poachers and licensed hunters since that article you posted is about POACHING and what professional hunters do is LICENSED

    and what you think is stupid really doesn't matter to me. I at least am smart enough to understand that posting an article about poaching is a worthless authority to attack legal hunting. but then again I read it and I understand the difference. I have serious doubts you did both
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There's all sorts of science. And this subject is debated routinely. There is no consensus and it will continue to be a point of contention. It's not all wrapped up just because you think shooting elephants is smart.
    umm,the science has been in for decades and decades...it works and there's no getting around that.

    listen, coming to a science fight armed with tears and emotions doesn't mean it's an actual debate...it's not.
    sometimes it sucks when our emotions get in the way of doing the right thing, but we're humans, and that's how we roll sometimes...

    again, focus on the folks who do damage... poachers.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Big game hunters and those who buy guns and ammo have done far more for American wildlife than all the animal "rights" groups combined.
    absolutely...without a doubt

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    THough he is totally nuts on 99% of the issues-loon bird Lyndon LaRouche (who came to Yale in 1980 as part of the Yale Political Union (I was an officer-chair of the liberal party-yep the Liberal party) effort to get every candidate on the CT ticket to appear, said that environmental extremism is usually the province of rich spoiled urbanites (I cannot recall if "yuppie" was in use back then) because they want to deny the poor the value of natural resources so they can have pristine playgrounds to backpack and canoe in. Environmentalists would rather have loggers starve so they can see a couple more spotted owls on their back packing trips.

    In this rare instance, he is right about the anti hunting Americans
    That's why I can't get comfortable in the Democratic Party, out on Washington states Olympic Peninsula which by the way is the most perfect environment on planetary for forestry, there is a county, call Grays Harbor County which is one of the most consistently Democratic counties in the country, but Democrats in Grays Harbor County are not the same as Democrats and much of the rest of the country, they own guns and working blue-collar occupations, and see when this environmental extreme is on that shutdown the walking happened it basically caused the crash in the towns in Grays Harbor County because a lot of people were unemployed and less temperament less timber royalties which meant less money for schools, etc etc etc

    See I would be willing to identify as a Democrat, in the context of Democrats who lived in small towns in the Pacific Northwest maybe 30 years ago, and I Chynna make a distinction between rural Democrats and urban Democrats, I can't stand urban Democrats I have just about as much disdain for them as I do Republicans I identify more in the rural Democrat column
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