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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you claim they are nearly as smart as we are and you are telling ME to become educated. how much time have you actually spent in the AFrican Bush around elephants?
    I have read several books about them. You are talking about them like they are just some animal. They are special. Elephants, dolphins, chimps, bonobos, orangutans and us humans are to the best of our knowledge the only self aware animals on earth, and of those, only elephants and us know they will die some day. When I would go out squirrel or deer hunting as a kid, I could be pretty damn confident that the animals we shot did not mourn their dead, experience all the same emotions we do, empathize with others, or were self aware.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's not the issue. the issue is buttinskis from America trying to tell other countries how to act. Your opinion has no merit over there. Its like gun banners from England whining about our rights concerning guns.

    and legal hunting isn't the problem

    did you actually read the article you quoted

    African elephants could be extinct in the wild within a few decades, experts have warned at a major conservation summit in Botswana that has highlighted an alarming decline in numbers due to poaching for ivory.
    Oh wow, now your suddenly concerned about America's interfering FP, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh wow, now your suddenly concerned about America's interfering FP, lol.
    actually having hunted in Kenya I suspect I know far more about this subject than you do. and yes, i find it interesting that your argument is so pathetic and you weren't even able to understand the very article you cited
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Elephants are endangered!
    which is exactly why we need proper and measured conservation measures taken to ensure they survive....culling herds is a proven effective method of ensuring the health and productivity of the herd... that's just, like, science, man.

    if you are of the opinion that hunting these male animals has a negative effect... that's been measured too.
    trophy hunting takes between 2 and 5% of the male population of a herd, which has been studied and shown to have no negative effect on heard growth or health.
    especially considering the mature bulls that are most prized no longer add to the herd in terms of growth or health.

    its fine to have feeling about the animals, but don't let those feeling get in the way of proper herd management.

    herd management isn't the only benefit to trophy hunting... there are plenty of benefits.
    trophy hunting provide a great financial incentive to local economies.. it provides funding for game preserves, it feeds local villages,.. and , in some case, it directly causes the reintroduction of animals into an ecosytem.. such as the black wildebeests and cape mountain zebra into south africa.



    take on the real problems... reckless hunters and poachers..... they screw up everything.
    we should be able to hunt poachers as well as elephants... and even pose for pictures with them

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually having hunted in Kenya I suspect I know far more about this subject than you do. and yes, i find it interesting that your argument is so pathetic and you weren't even able to understand the very article you cited
    And your ignoring my mocking of your position, or maybe it escapes you. A Kenyan hunter and a part of the problem. No wonder you're here defending this crime.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    which is exactly why we need proper and measured conservation measures taken to ensure they survive....culling herds is a proven effective method of ensuring the health and productivity of the herd... that's just, like, science, man.

    if you are of the opinion that hunting these male animals has a negative effect... that's been measured too.
    trophy hunting takes between 2 and 5% of the male population of a herd, which has been studied and shown to have no negative effect on heard growth or health.
    especially considering the mature bulls that are most prized no longer add to the herd in terms of growth or health.

    its fine to have feeling about the animals, but don't let those feeling get in the way of proper herd management.

    herd management isn't the only benefit to trophy hunting... there are plenty of benefits.
    trophy hunting provide a great financial incentive to local economies.. it provides funding for game preserves, it feeds local villages,.. and , in some case, it directly causes the reintroduction of animals into an ecosytem.. such as the black wildebeests and cape mountain zebra into south africa.



    take on the real problems... reckless hunters and poachers..... they screw up everything.
    we should be able to hunt poachers as well as elephants... and even pose for pictures with them
    Yeah, I heard you the first time dude, and that's debatable.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Does a prairie dog mourn its dead? Is a prairie dog capable of empathy and every single emotion we human's experience? As I stated earlier, I grew up hunting, damn near everyone in my family hunts, but killing a creature that is nearly as smart as we are, that deeply mourns its dead, and that experiences every single emotion that we experience just aint right. Its wrong. Its not comparable to killing prairie dogs, or whitetail deer, or rabbits, or squirrel or any of the animals we hunt over here.
    You might have a different opinion if you're a subsistence farmer making less then a dollar a day and the damn thing is uprooting your crops again.

    The moralism of killing creatures "almost as smart as us" doesn't move me, dogs mourn their own too, and they're on the menu as well most places outside of Europe and North America
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, I heard you the first time dude, and that's debatable.
    it's only "debatable" to those whom ignore science.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You might have a different opinion if you're a subsistence farmer making less then a dollar a day and the damn thing is uprooting your crops again.

    The moralism of killing creatures "almost as smart as us" doesn't move me, dogs mourn their own too, and they're on the menu as well most places outside of Europe and North America
    a subsistence farmer not only will see an elephant as a pest, but he probably know he can earn about 3 grand in US dollars for taking out that bull that's tearing up his crops...it's a double incentive.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And your ignoring my mocking of your position, or maybe it escapes you. A Kenyan hunter and a part of the problem. No wonder you're here defending this crime.
    crime-psychobabble much? its not a crime just because a left wing american thinks it is

    You can mock me all you want-I just laugh at Bambistas who are clueless about other countries and their natural resources
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