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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    I grew up hunting but we did not hunt anything that mourned it's dead. An elephant is nearly as smart as we are, they form very close family groups, and they mourn their dead. It just doesn't seem right to hunt any creature like that. Moreover, because of the ivory trade, they are at risk of being extirpated in the wild so hunting them is not fulfilling a predatory thinning the herd purpose like hunting deer does.

    Anyone that disagrees with this ought to read The Elephant Whisperer:

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, I know. What's your point? Mine was that we shouldn't be hunting endangered elephants.
    I don't think your opinion has any merit compared to that of the country that the elephants are contained in

    by definition, the elephant is not endangered if a country is allowing the hunting

    My opinion, Americans who are clueless about the game issues in Africa have no relevance to the issue
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Elephants are endangered!
    Not where hunting them is legal.

    Where hunting elephants is illegal they are 5 ton prairie dogs, they destroy the livelihoods of farmers and are a pest.

    Where hunting them is legal they are an economic resource
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Elephants are endangered!
    according to whom? don't you think a nation has the power to determine how its resources are managed?
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not where hunting them is legal.

    Where hunting elephants is illegal they are 5 ton prairie dogs, they destroy the livelihoods of farmers and are a pest.

    Where hunting them is legal they are an economic resource
    Does a prairie dog mourn its dead? Is a prairie dog capable of empathy and every single emotion we human's experience? As I stated earlier, I grew up hunting, damn near everyone in my family hunts, but killing a creature that is nearly as smart as we are, that deeply mourns its dead, and that experiences every single emotion that we experience just aint right. Its wrong. Its not comparable to killing prairie dogs, or whitetail deer, or rabbits, or squirrel or any of the animals we hunt over here.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not where hunting them is legal.

    Where hunting elephants is illegal they are 5 ton prairie dogs, they destroy the livelihoods of farmers and are a pest.

    Where hunting them is legal they are an economic resource
    Yep, my dad shot an elephant in Kenya. He did not go there with the intention of hunting elephant. he went there to hunt stuff like Kudu and other edible game. But his hunter (Steven Smith) noted that an elephant had gone "rogue" and the authorities had asked Smith and other professional hunters to be on the watch for this elephant. The elephant had been injured by a snare set by poachers that had caused a vicious infection in the animal's foot. Well they found it and my father shot it with a 458. He then paid the license fee which was something like the equivalent of 250 pounds sterling in 1967. My mother sold the tusks to some scam artist after my father died for one tenth of what they were worth but the point is-Kenya got a hefty fee for that resource and the villagers who had been terrorized by this animal were relieved of that menace.


    I will also note that when Kenya agreed to shut down "the ivory trade" thousands of pounds of elephant ivory was still being exported. in 1976 or 77, the man we hunted with came across poachers trying to set snares for elephants and they made the mistake of firing at him. Well after the constabulary took custody of the dead poachers, the chief of the local police informed this hunter that "he could no longer guarantee Mr Smith's safety in Kenya" It turned out that the poachers were part of Mrs Kenyatta's personal guard and the rifles taken by the police were rifles that were issued to said guard. The hunter moved to the RSA (he had held a British Passport) where he returned to his profession until he was killed in a traffic accident.

    Corrupt African governments are far more dangerous to elephants than licensed hunters
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think your opinion has any merit compared to that of the country that the elephants are contained in

    by definition, the elephant is not endangered if a country is allowing the hunting

    My opinion, Americans who are clueless about the game issues in Africa have no relevance to the issue
    My opinion has all the merit of yours.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    according to whom? don't you think a nation has the power to determine how its resources are managed?
    You should educate yourself on African Elephants. They are not like the whitetail deer in your backyard. They are nearly as smart as we are. They experience every emotion we do. They are self aware. They are capable of empathy and have a notion of right and wrong. They also mourn their dead. I have no problem with hunting. I grew up hunting, most of my friends hunt, most of my family hunts. But in my opinion a creature like an elephant ought to enjoy every right to life that we enjoy. If you experience the same emotions, family ties, and mourn your dead just like we humans do, then you ought to have the same right to life that we humans enjoy and unless that elephant is a clear danger to people, it shouldn't be killed.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    that's not the issue. the issue is buttinskis from America trying to tell other countries how to act. Your opinion has no merit over there. Its like gun banners from England whining about our rights concerning guns.

    and legal hunting isn't the problem

    did you actually read the article you quoted

    African elephants could be extinct in the wild within a few decades, experts have warned at a major conservation summit in Botswana that has highlighted an alarming decline in numbers due to poaching for ivory.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You should educate yourself on African Elephants. They are not like the whitetail deer in your backyard. They are nearly as smart as we are. They experience every emotion we do. They are self aware. They are capable of empathy and have a notion of right and wrong. They also mourn their dead. I have no problem with hunting. I grew up hunting, most of my friends hunt, most of my family hunts. But in my opinion a creature like an elephant ought to enjoy every right to life that we enjoy. If you experience the same emotions, family ties, and mourn your dead just like we humans do, then you ought to have the same right to life that we humans enjoy and unless that elephant is a clear danger to people, it shouldn't be killed.


    you claim they are nearly as smart as we are and you are telling ME to become educated. how much time have you actually spent in the AFrican Bush around elephants?
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