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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Yep... it probably makes her proud. I know I would be. And yes.. she is very conservation minded.
    Its the killing that makes her proud all the rest is just apologism to excuse that base desire

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of people try to rationalize lack of empathy for their fellow man. There are various reasons for the floppy morality, mostly dealing with either emotional outburst or trying to reverse engineer an argument. As I said, I wouldn't necessarily say it's a good thing. Even murderers deserve some amount of empathy, I'm not for needless torture or suffering imposed upon them; they are still human.
    That is your opinion, I think he hunts an endangered species (vulnerable with some sources saying the animal could be wiped out in the wild in 10 years or so) and that makes him not deserving of my empathy for loosing his life while hunting elephants. I do not wish death upon him and I am sorry if his death has been painful, but the only ones I feel sorry for is his family.

    You may not agree with that but that is the great thing of humanity, we can agree to disagree. I would have wished he had not died but I do not feel sorry for him now that he has died during the hunting of an elephant.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    There is a distinct possibility that the elephant owes its existance to managed big game hunting. Several African countries protect their herds very well and now there are more elephants locally than the range can support. They are now eating crops.

    Well thought out big game hunting not only allows the local elephant herds to be managed, but as big game hunts are very expensive permit wise and involve alot of "over the top" luxury accomodations, they bring alot of money into the local economy. As another poster mentioned, the people in the area then see the animals as a renewable recesource that they need to protect- instead of viewing them as 10 ton pests.


    The local guides, the local schools, and the local clinic are probably also proud that they have a renewable natural recourse that people want to pay big money to harvest (Ok, to shoot).

    Modern Big Game outfitters not only practice responsible herd management, but they regularly involve the local people in all aspects of the industry and also make donations to local schoools, clinics etc. According to a business friend that I knew 12 years ago, permits to hunt "Big Five" type game run upto $35,000 dollars. Predator permits were even more. Needless to say, the prices are even higher today- which is more incentive for local people to protect their (not PETA's) renewable natural recesources.
    Managed would be fine but when I read:

    Long-awaited study suggests that many of the continent's elephant populations could be wiped out in ten years.
    The most comprehensive survey of elephant poaching to date has estimated that 100,000 African elephants were illegally killed between 2010 and 2012.
    African elephant numbers collapsing : Nature News & Comment

    During 2011 alone, roughly one of every twelve African elephants was killed by a poacher.
    100,000 Elephants Killed by Poachers in Just Three Years, Landmark Analysis Finds

    So sorry, but I am not a supporter of hunting these animals without there being a need to do so and if someone dies during one of those hunts, then I am sorry, he took the risk to do what he did and this time the elephant won and he lost.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    This is nothing to do with the love of hunting or conservation and everything to do with a love of killing. Having seen elephants and giraffes in the wild in Kenya there is no hunting involved in finding them because they are large easy to find and dont tend to run away
    you are entitled to your opinion.. i'll stick with settled science on the matter.

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Its the killing that makes her proud all the rest is just apologism to excuse that base desire
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Nonsense. Unless someone is poaching (the real crime) the locals get the animal, end of story. Does not matter who shoots it. Thinning the herd is as necessary for them as it is for deer here.
    I used to go to Columbia with my late father to do dove shooting. high volume dove shooting. Doves have no real natural predators down there and breed every couple of months. They were taking 30-50% of the farm produce down there. So farmers started poisoning the doves. Hawks and vultures that ate dead doves died. It was a mess. Then some guys, including a Cornell and TExas AM agricultural science graduate, who was the son of a former President came up with an idea. Have dove shooting trips for American hunters. Unlike say England where each partridge costs 10 pounds a piece, the doves were free-you paid merely for the shells and the accommodations plus the guide's fee. Local farm boys were hired to pick up the doves and they got to keep for their families what they picked. up. I remember one boy who was on every one of the 10 times I went down there between 1981 and 1995 (the violence sent us to Bolivia for our last trip-I understand things are better there now and I might take my son now that my father has passed and he used to take my brother and I down there). when I first met him he was a 11 year old boy-his father was foreman on one of the big plantations down there that mainly grew sorghum which is used to feed the big chicken industry. in 1995 he was a Captain in what would be their version of the Special forces but he was home on leave

    I asked him why he was still picking up birds and he (his English had got much better and he had been trained by our military after he entered the army) said his family would have meat for months with three days of work. I also understood enough Spanish when he told Alberto (on my second time down there) he wanted to be assigned to "Señor Turtle" because "he kills the most birds.

    But he told me that since the hunting parties had come to the small agricultural town he grew up in, the standard of living had gone up since the hunters brought money and provided a source of employment for some of the boys who were not able to get jobs on the farms or the military
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the hunter is a licensed professional, the country where he is licensed has approved hunting that species.
    Yes, I know. What's your point? Mine was that we shouldn't be hunting endangered elephants.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Within reason it's not a big deal.
    That's your opinion.
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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    As the saying goes, you **** with a bull you get the horns..

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    Re: Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well I don't know why you want elephants to be extinct, do you hate elephants?
    Elephants are endangered!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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