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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ............oh brother you are really trying to save face....

    if you had read which you didn't, you would have read its about powers and the separation of them, between federal and state........has nothing to do with money....

    Federalism

    Federalism is a system of government in which the same territory is controlled by two levels of government. Generally, an overarching national government governs issues that affect the entire country, and smaller subdivisions govern issues of local concern. Both the national government and the smaller political subdivisions have the power to make laws and both have a certain level of autonomy from each other. The United States has a federal system of governance consisting of the national or federal government, and the government of the individual states.

    The U.S. Constitution grants the federal government with power over issues of national concern, while the state governments, generally, have jurisdiction over issues of domestic concern. While the federal government can enact laws governing the entire country, its powers are enumerated, or limited; it only has the specific powers allotted to it in the Constitution. For example, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the power to levy taxes, mint money, declare war, establish post offices, and punish piracies on the high seas. Any action by the federal government must fall within one of the powers enumerated in the Constitution. For example, the federal government can regulate interstate commerce pursuant to the Commerce Clause of the Constitution but has no power to regulate commerce that occurs only within a single state.

    The amount of power exercised by the federal government is dependant upon how the various provisions of the Constitution are interpreted. For example, the U.S. Supreme Court expanded the powers of the federal government when it construed federal powers to include those “necessary and proper” to effect the legislation passed by Congress. McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316 (1819). This construction allows the federal government to exercise power ancillary to those specifically listed in the Constitution, provided the exercise of those powers does not conflict with another Constitutional provision. In contrast, state power is not limited to express grants of power. Under the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution, States have all powers that are not specifically granted to the federal government, or forbidden to them under the Constitution. For example, although the Constitution grants the federal government the power to tax, state governments are also able to levy taxes to support themselves, because that power is not forbidden to them by the Constitution. State governments manage matters of local concern, such as child protective services, public schools, and road maintenance and repair.


    this is really sad of you....you advocate a system of government based on force [socialism] and not liberty, and do not even know the system of government you have....sad very sad
    Do you always just copy and paste things and not source them to act like its your own, and then when you have to type resort to ad hominems? Also can you explain to me how any of what you just copied and pasted proves me wrong? How does any of what you just pasted contradict my statements?
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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you always just copy and paste things and not source them to act like its your own, and then when you have to type resort to ad hominems? Also can you explain to me how any of what you just copied and pasted proves me wrong? How does any of what you just pasted contradict my statements?
    i first posted what federalism is..and stated the 10th amendment was federalism at it finest......which is about power, not money.

    then i posted a link from Cornell which showed i was correct.

    in the future, it would be better of you if you just started you didn't really know what it meant, and the whole thing would have been forgotten.


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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i first posted what federalism is..and stated the 10th amendment was federalism at it finest......which is about power, not money.

    then i posted a link from Cornell which showed i was correct.

    in the future, it would be better of you if you just started you didn't really know what it meant, and the whole thing would have been forgotten.
    And now put that perspective in regards to the case at hand. The state government have the power to expand medicaid, and the federal government having the power to issue monies to state governments...
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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And now put that perspective in regards to the case at hand. The state government have the power to expand medicaid, and the federal government having the power to issue monies to state governments...
    sure... but the issue of federalism would never be part of such a conversation of this thread.

    state powers are not limited, but federal powers are..... there is no delegated constitutional power for the federal government to issue money to states.


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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sure... but the issue of federalism would never be part of such a conversation of this thread.
    state powers are not limited, but federal powers are..... there is no delegated constitutional power for the federal government to issue money to states.
    So money in this case does have something to do with federalism, and I do understand what federalism is.. And that his argument is simply erroneous because the federal government does not have to issue these funds because its not required by our constitution.
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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So money in this case does have something to do with federalism, and I do understand what federalism is.. And that his argument is simply erroneous because the federal government does not have to issue these funds because its not required by our constitution.
    as i stated federalism is about powers..not money, and were those powers will be...

    in the u.s. ...the powers of the federal government are to be few and defined by the constitution, while state powers are numerous and indefinite


    federalist 45

    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.


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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you are being obtuse it was the main reason they overturned the mandate to expand Medicaid to begin with. the federal government can't coerce states with threat of funding.
    yep and the program was going to be extended till this. now the federal government is coercing or attempting to coerce the state of FL direct violation of a SCOTUS decision.
    No, the program was not going to be extended. That's why this lawsuit is a fail. They claim that this funding is being "held hostage" to a Medicaid expansion but the truth is, whether or not they expand Medicaid, the funding for the LIP program is gone.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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