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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think it's a bogus lawsuite. The federal government is essentially saying, "Hey, you knew the deal when you originally accepted federal Medicaid block grant funds. You knew that the funds were to be used to form your own state-sponsored health insurance exchange and that Medicaid expansion was part of it. You knew there was a deadline to having your state's HIE up and running and self-sustaining. And now you're trying to back out of the deal."

    The FL State legislature's battle isn't with the federal government, i.e., the Obama Administration. It's with themselves.

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    This is an internal budget battle Florida's Governor is attempting to blame on the Obama Administration. It's not anyone else's fault that the Florida Legislature can't get their finances in order ahead of a deadline they were well aware of beforehand.
    With all of this stuff, you have to keep in mind that it's FLORIDA, for God's sake!
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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    This is a weird position. Who gets to set conditions for Federal money? I thought it was Congress, spending Federal money, was able to set the rules for receiving it. Here you're saying that if the Feds provide $1 billion to Florida in grant money, the program expiring 6/30, Florida can sue and get that $1 billion forever and tell Congress and the CMS to shove it with their requirements - Florida can do as they damn well please and the Feds must continue to pay them $1 billion.

    It's a pretty staggering position. Is Congress allowed to change requirements for social welfare recipients - e.g. increase the job search efforts for unemployment - that the welfare recipients can sue and demand the money continue forever and if they don't want to look for a job or get drug tested, they won't and Congress has no option but to continue the welfare?
    yes they can sue because the federal government has linked the funding to expanding Medicaid which is a violation of the SCOTUS ruling.
    I know it if difficult for you to accept facts. the government was going to renew funding but then they tied it to expanding Medicaid which the SCOTUS ruled unconstitutional

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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No where in the article does that back up your point. Its literally not saying what you think its saying.
    sure it did I even quoted it to you.

    From 2014 to 2017, the federal government will pay for 100% of the difference between a state's current Medicaid eligibility level and the ACA minimum. Federal contributions to the expansion will drop to 95% in 2017 and remain at 90% after 2020, according to the ACA.

    why did you ignore it or do you not understand what this means?


    Do you always resort to ad hominems?
    You evidently don't know what an ad hominem is. you are doing nothing but spouting talking points which have already been disproven.
    citing liberal biased sites that do the same thing are not arguments.

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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    At some point, Republicans are going to come to the realization that Obamacare is here to stay and that it's working. Hopefully they will continue to attack it and threaten to repeal it until after the next election, however.
    really still waiting for my insurance rates to go down. ol yea they haven't. I have been paying more and more since Obamacare than ever before.
    still waiting on my 2500 savings per year.

    ol yea that was a lie as well.

    to say it is working is laughable.
    Obamacare sends health premiums skyrocketing by as much as 78 percent - Washington Times

    yea that is what you call success. maybe in hope and change land.

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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes they can sue because the federal government has linked the funding to expanding Medicaid which is a violation of the SCOTUS ruling.
    The funding is for the Medicaid expansion population (not covered under traditional Medicaid) and thus it exists only through a waiver of federal law approved by HHS.

    HHS is under no obligation to continue waiving federal law so that Florida can pay for the medical expenses of that population. If they want to continue to do so and make sure their hospitals can continue to keep their doors open, they can do it in under the option now available in federal law: the ACA's Medicaid expansion. No more waivers for Florida.

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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    HHS is under no obligation to continue waiving federal law
    Even the republican president of Florida's senate agrees with you
    Florida to sue over Obamacare Medicaid expansion - Marc Caputo and Rachana Pradhan - POLITICO
    Florida’s Republican Senate president, Andy Gardiner, sides with CMS. “The federal government has no obligation to provide LIP funding, or to work within our timeframe,” Gardiner said in a written statement.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes they can sue because the federal government has linked the funding to expanding Medicaid which is a violation of the SCOTUS ruling.
    I know it if difficult for you to accept facts. the government was going to renew funding but then they tied it to expanding Medicaid which the SCOTUS ruled unconstitutional
    Do you have an excerpt and link for that ruling?
    The present program Florida is under is ending.
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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Do you have an excerpt and link for that ruling?
    The present program Florida is under is ending.
    Not only is the present program ending, but florida has not submitted a formal request with a plan for renewal.

    Scotts administration said it discussed multiple LIP models with federal officials, but it never officially submitted a plan amid the talks.

    Read more: Florida to sue over Obamacare Medicaid expansion - Marc Caputo and Rachana Pradhan - POLITICO
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not only is the present program ending, but florida has not submitted a formal request with a plan for renewal.
    I know, and the Gov is an idiot and his Senate leader basically told him that.
    But the Koch bros support the Gov and donate.
    Funny how those with money have no issue with standing on principles on medical -Obamacare. Oh yeah, they can afford it.
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    Re: Florida Governor to Sue Obama Administration Over Medicaid Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You cant be serious......
    You gots no ideas what the gooooberment is about!
    again..when asked to explain again and again how money is part of federalism...you post nothing.....you have no clue, what you are talking about


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