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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Of course I do not want U.S. servicemen fighting anyone, anywhere. The best way to make sure they never have to is to maintain a very strong military and make clear we will use it if necessary. The Islamist thugs in Tehran are acting aggressively exactly because of this president's weakness--he has spent six years inviting their aggression.
    Look, make your mind up. Either you want U.S. servicemen on the ground fighting Iran or you don't. After all, didn't you compare it to Europe in 1935?

    One way we could maintain a strong military would be for people like you to join.
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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, thus far they have not done much to police their own area. In that they are similar to the Japanese or Germans.
    well, time for them to get off of their asses. the best thing we can do to help make that happen is to stop policing their region for them free of cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    No, of course you are right. The world should have learned about 1935 that the best way to deal with aggressive dictatorships is to sit back meekly, and let them do whatever the hell they want.
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    There's only one aggressive, Expansionist Regime in the Region & it's not Iran. You need only read up on the Oded Yinon Plan to dismiss Iran as a serious Regional threat.

    It has only been only a few years since we heard the same inaccurate, "Hitler & the Holocaust" rhetoric & hyperbolic cheerleading from the pro War crowd or their deceived disciples. They were mistaken then as well as now.

    What we didn't find in "WMDs"etc, we DID find in mangled, mutilated, burned & traumatized young Americans who continue to struggle with missing limbs & the cold-sweats of horrific nightmares.

    Because of their inaccuracy, comparisons of Iran with Nazi Germany are as tiresome as they are factually flawed. It's impossible to name one country that Iran has annexed, attacked or invaded nor is Iran's old Jewish community persecuted. While their government is unappealing & fraught with feigned bellicosity, its leaders are neither irrational nor suicidal.

    There is nothing alarming about Iran's ships joining in the posturing and surveillance near Yemen. The only increased danger is the heightened opportunity for a "False Flag" operation or provocation from a pro War element. If there is a lethal exchange, it will not have been intentionally caused by Iran.

    US & Iranian Navy personnel have assisted each other in Search-and-Rscue operations, are used to & welcome opportunities to meet, exchange small gifts etc. Lemon & sugar coated pistachio nuts are a favorite Iranian treat among US sailors & Marines.

    All it takes is a visit to Iran to find that they have a fondness for the American people. It is the egregious double-standard endemic to US Mid East policy that they justifiably resent.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, time for them to get off of their asses. the best thing we can do to help make that happen is to stop policing their region for them free of cost.
    That, at least, Obama has got right. ...for the most part. He has not been doing enough to explain it to the populations in those countries, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    because my country is expected to be the world's pro bono police force. most people don't even accept that it hasn't worked. meanwhile, other first world countries spend money on things like health care that actually do good. you'd be a bit pissed off, too.

    ****, you take tons of flak if you even suggest that we don't enter a war (unless it's in Africa.) you get compared to Neville Chamberlain, because every potential enemy is Hitler (except in Africa.) and those who want constant war aren't even willing to pay more in taxes to fund it. they want to fund it by cutting our social safety nets.

    now we're expected to have a dick measuring contest with Russia while fighting IS. this will be done with no tax increases, and if we have to get in bed with Assad, we just won't talk about that part, even though he used WMDs on his own people. meanwhile, Saudi Arabia will play a minimal role in the fight, just like they always do, even though this cluster**** is in their backyard. IMO, the best thing that we can do is to pull all of our troops out of that region for thirty years and let it stabilize. let the regional hegemons do their job, while we nation build here.

    am i pissed off? yes, because it's infuriating, and i don't want the next generation to be sent off to police the Middle East at the whim of some asshole politician with no skin in the game. i'd rather that my kid not have to worry about going bankrupt when his kid falls out of a tree and breaks his arm.
    Thanks for expanding Helix. I personally don't believe that the US should police the world. It's an impossible task and the myriad costs would be prohibitive. That said, I also think there are select situations where it is cost-foolish to kick the proverbial can down the road. The trick is to differentiate between feel-good wants and true national needs.


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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That, at least, Obama has got right. ...for the most part. He has not been doing enough to explain it to the populations in those countries, however.
    last time i checked, the US still has a lot of troops in the region. bring them home.

    and it's not his job to explain any of this to the Middle East. it's his job to make a compelling case for nation building in America, and to keep making that case until it actually happens.

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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Thanks for expanding Helix. I personally don't believe that the US should police the world. It's an impossible task and the myriad costs would be prohibitive. That said, I also think there are select situations where it is cost-foolish to kick the proverbial can down the road. The trick is to differentiate between feel-good wants and true national needs.
    we have some common ground here. i just want those in power to have at least a little knowledge of history, and i want them to apply that knowledge in a way that won't lead to cycles of endless war. there are situations in which you just don't have another good choice except to go to war, but more often than not, those situations are preceded by colonialism or interventionism. i'm arguing that we should at least try to break that cycle.

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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, time for them to get off of their asses. the best thing we can do to help make that happen is to stop policing their region for them free of cost.
    there was that coalition proposed by el_Sisi,, except Pakistan won't join with SA in Yemen..the Gulf states seem conspicuously absent too

    SA has a tiger by the tail, they can't win that by an air campaign, and if they go in they fight the Houthis
    who are adept at guerilla fighting.

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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    there was that coalition proposed by el_Sisi,, except Pakistan won't join with SA in Yemen..the Gulf states seem conspicuously absent too

    SA has a tiger by the tail, they can't win that by an air campaign, and if they go in they fight the Houthis
    who are adept at guerilla fighting.
    Yemen is definitely a big ****ing mess. from what i understand, they don't even have electricity or food anymore. if we really want to help, maybe we should drop food and medicine instead of bombs. the assholes would probably take a lot of it, but they can't get all of it.

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    Re: Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Simplexity. The Destroyer was seen Wednesday with another ship.....having it there Iran is flexing some muscle. In the meantime we joined in by refueling the Saud's Coalition of planes. Egypt has offered to put troops on the ground and AQ has become vocal too.



    SANAA, Yemen (AP) Iran dispatched a destroyer and another naval ship to waters off Yemen on Wednesday, raising the stakes amid a Saudi-led air campaign targeting Iranian-backed Shiite rebels fighting forces loyal to the country's embattled president.

    On Wednesday, al-Qaida in Yemen, a staunch rival of the Houthis, posted a video offering a bounty of 44 pounds (20 kilograms) of gold for whoever captures or kills the rebel leader and his prime ally in Yemen, ousted president Saleh.

    Along with the ongoing military campaign, Arab countries have lobbied members of the U.N. Security Council to adopt a draft resolution that would ban arms shipments to the rebels and their allies. The draft calls on all parties to resolve their differences through dialogue and accelerate U.N.-brokered negotiations on a political transition.....snip~

    Iran sends navy vessels to waters off Yemen, raising stakes - The Killeen Daily Herald: Associated Press
    Egypt is offering troops?
    It's (ground troops)going to have to happen, if SA is serious about this

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