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Iran Sends Ships Toward Blockaded Yemen Port...

Of course I do not want U.S. servicemen fighting anyone, anywhere. The best way to make sure they never have to is to maintain a very strong military and make clear we will use it if necessary. The Islamist thugs in Tehran are acting aggressively exactly because of this president's weakness--he has spent six years inviting their aggression.

Look, make your mind up. Either you want U.S. servicemen on the ground fighting Iran or you don't. After all, didn't you compare it to Europe in 1935?

One way we could maintain a strong military would be for people like you to join.
 
Actually, thus far they have not done much to police their own area. In that they are similar to the Japanese or Germans.

well, time for them to get off of their asses. the best thing we can do to help make that happen is to stop policing their region for them free of cost.
 
No, of course you are right. The world should have learned about 1935 that the best way to deal with aggressive dictatorships is to sit back meekly, and let them do whatever the hell they want.
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There's only one aggressive, Expansionist Regime in the Region & it's not Iran. You need only read up on the Oded Yinon Plan to dismiss Iran as a serious Regional threat.

It has only been only a few years since we heard the same inaccurate, "Hitler & the Holocaust" rhetoric & hyperbolic cheerleading from the pro War crowd or their deceived disciples. They were mistaken then as well as now.

What we didn't find in "WMDs"etc, we DID find in mangled, mutilated, burned & traumatized young Americans who continue to struggle with missing limbs & the cold-sweats of horrific nightmares.

Because of their inaccuracy, comparisons of Iran with Nazi Germany are as tiresome as they are factually flawed. It's impossible to name one country that Iran has annexed, attacked or invaded nor is Iran's old Jewish community persecuted. While their government is unappealing & fraught with feigned bellicosity, its leaders are neither irrational nor suicidal.

There is nothing alarming about Iran's ships joining in the posturing and surveillance near Yemen. The only increased danger is the heightened opportunity for a "False Flag" operation or provocation from a pro War element. If there is a lethal exchange, it will not have been intentionally caused by Iran.

US & Iranian Navy personnel have assisted each other in Search-and-Rscue operations, are used to & welcome opportunities to meet, exchange small gifts etc. Lemon & sugar coated pistachio nuts are a favorite Iranian treat among US sailors & Marines.

All it takes is a visit to Iran to find that they have a fondness for the American people. It is the egregious double-standard endemic to US Mid East policy that they justifiably resent.



Thanks
 
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well, time for them to get off of their asses. the best thing we can do to help make that happen is to stop policing their region for them free of cost.

That, at least, Obama has got right. ...for the most part. He has not been doing enough to explain it to the populations in those countries, however.
 
because my country is expected to be the world's pro bono police force. most people don't even accept that it hasn't worked. meanwhile, other first world countries spend money on things like health care that actually do good. you'd be a bit pissed off, too.

****, you take tons of flak if you even suggest that we don't enter a war (unless it's in Africa.) you get compared to Neville Chamberlain, because every potential enemy is Hitler (except in Africa.) and those who want constant war aren't even willing to pay more in taxes to fund it. they want to fund it by cutting our social safety nets.

now we're expected to have a dick measuring contest with Russia while fighting IS. this will be done with no tax increases, and if we have to get in bed with Assad, we just won't talk about that part, even though he used WMDs on his own people. meanwhile, Saudi Arabia will play a minimal role in the fight, just like they always do, even though this cluster**** is in their backyard. IMO, the best thing that we can do is to pull all of our troops out of that region for thirty years and let it stabilize. let the regional hegemons do their job, while we nation build here.

am i pissed off? yes, because it's infuriating, and i don't want the next generation to be sent off to police the Middle East at the whim of some asshole politician with no skin in the game. i'd rather that my kid not have to worry about going bankrupt when his kid falls out of a tree and breaks his arm.
Thanks for expanding Helix. I personally don't believe that the US should police the world. It's an impossible task and the myriad costs would be prohibitive. That said, I also think there are select situations where it is cost-foolish to kick the proverbial can down the road. The trick is to differentiate between feel-good wants and true national needs.
 
That, at least, Obama has got right. ...for the most part. He has not been doing enough to explain it to the populations in those countries, however.

last time i checked, the US still has a lot of troops in the region. bring them home.

and it's not his job to explain any of this to the Middle East. it's his job to make a compelling case for nation building in America, and to keep making that case until it actually happens.
 
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Thanks for expanding Helix. I personally don't believe that the US should police the world. It's an impossible task and the myriad costs would be prohibitive. That said, I also think there are select situations where it is cost-foolish to kick the proverbial can down the road. The trick is to differentiate between feel-good wants and true national needs.

we have some common ground here. i just want those in power to have at least a little knowledge of history, and i want them to apply that knowledge in a way that won't lead to cycles of endless war. there are situations in which you just don't have another good choice except to go to war, but more often than not, those situations are preceded by colonialism or interventionism. i'm arguing that we should at least try to break that cycle.
 
well, time for them to get off of their asses. the best thing we can do to help make that happen is to stop policing their region for them free of cost.
there was that coalition proposed by el_Sisi,, except Pakistan won't join with SA in Yemen..the Gulf states seem conspicuously absent too

SA has a tiger by the tail, they can't win that by an air campaign, and if they go in they fight the Houthis
who are adept at guerilla fighting.
 
there was that coalition proposed by el_Sisi,, except Pakistan won't join with SA in Yemen..the Gulf states seem conspicuously absent too

SA has a tiger by the tail, they can't win that by an air campaign, and if they go in they fight the Houthis
who are adept at guerilla fighting.

Yemen is definitely a big ****ing mess. from what i understand, they don't even have electricity or food anymore. if we really want to help, maybe we should drop food and medicine instead of bombs. the assholes would probably take a lot of it, but they can't get all of it.
 
Mornin Simplexity. :2wave: The Destroyer was seen Wednesday with another ship.....having it there Iran is flexing some muscle. In the meantime we joined in by refueling the Saud's Coalition of planes. Egypt has offered to put troops on the ground and AQ has become vocal too.



SANAA, Yemen (AP) — Iran dispatched a destroyer and another naval ship to waters off Yemen on Wednesday, raising the stakes amid a Saudi-led air campaign targeting Iranian-backed Shiite rebels fighting forces loyal to the country's embattled president.

On Wednesday, al-Qaida in Yemen, a staunch rival of the Houthis, posted a video offering a bounty of 44 pounds (20 kilograms) of gold for whoever captures or kills the rebel leader and his prime ally in Yemen, ousted president Saleh.

Along with the ongoing military campaign, Arab countries have lobbied members of the U.N. Security Council to adopt a draft resolution that would ban arms shipments to the rebels and their allies. The draft calls on all parties to resolve their differences through dialogue and accelerate U.N.-brokered negotiations on a political transition.....snip~

Iran sends navy vessels to waters off Yemen, raising stakes - The Killeen Daily Herald: Associated Press
Egypt is offering troops?
It's (ground troops)going to have to happen, if SA is serious about this
 
Egypt is offering troops?
It's (ground troops)going to have to happen, if SA is serious about this


Yep AT. :2wave: Egypt offered April 9 2015. Eager to kick some Iranian and Shia ass.




Egypt FM: Cairo to send ground forces to Yemen if needed.....


In a show of Egypt’s fully-fledged support to the Saudi-led operation against the Houthis in Yemen, Egyptian foreign minister Samih Shoukri said Cairo was willing “to send ground forces if necessary” during an Arab League conference in Sharm al-Sheikh.

Egyptian officials have said four warships entered Suez en route to Gulf of Aden to give further support to Operation “Decisive Storm,” which was ordered early Thursday in response to President Abdrabbu Mansour Hadi’s request in face of Houthis advancing toward the southern city of Aden, where is he currently based.

The officials added that the ships will take part in operations “to secure” the strategic waters that control southern access to the Suez Canal......snip~

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...to-send-ground-forces-to-Yemen-if-needed.html
 
Yemen is definitely a big ****ing mess. from what i understand, they don't even have electricity or food anymore. if we really want to help, maybe we should drop food and medicine instead of bombs. the assholes would probably take a lot of it, but they can't get all of it.
not everywhere but enough public buildings have been bombed out..and the place is a wreck..
I don't know if airlifts would be any more effective then the bombing by SA, and AQAP is taking advantage of the chaos -
they had a prison break recently, and are expanding territory.

That's our real concern - AQAP, although I personally am worried about a proxy war and Iranian hegemony, I agree there isn't much we can or should do about it..
Somehow that Sunni coalition has got to do it, Pakistan (close defense allie of SA) was ready to, but it's Parliment voted no..because of it's Shia population.

It's a cluster for sure, and the region is going to have to do it this time without calling in the calvary (US).
There is no appetite for any US involvement, not do I think we should do so..
 
Yep AT. :2wave: Egypt offered April 9 2015. Eager to kick some Iranian and Shia ass.




Egypt FM: Cairo to send ground forces to Yemen if needed.....


In a show of Egypt’s fully-fledged support to the Saudi-led operation against the Houthis in Yemen, Egyptian foreign minister Samih Shoukri said Cairo was willing “to send ground forces if necessary” during an Arab League conference in Sharm al-Sheikh.

Egyptian officials have said four warships entered Suez en route to Gulf of Aden to give further support to Operation “Decisive Storm,” which was ordered early Thursday in response to President Abdrabbu Mansour Hadi’s request in face of Houthis advancing toward the southern city of Aden, where is he currently based.

The officials added that the ships will take part in operations “to secure” the strategic waters that control southern access to the Suez Canal......snip~

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...to-send-ground-forces-to-Yemen-if-needed.html
hey Amigo..
I guess the fly in the ointment was Pakistan then? SA can't let this stand though, even with that border fence a few of it's border guards were recently killed.

Plus the Houthi do run some cross border raids. The problem seems to be SA backing..whom was it? Saleh or Hadi?
either way that isn't a viable strategy - the country hs been in a civil war one way or the other since 1969

SA is going to have to really go in and install some kind of interim proxy gov't to stop this..but if they do, they are committed
and they know they can't turn to us...
So I don't really see any course of action except a real Sunni coalition and that doesn't seem to be happening either.
They keep saying they will go in, but man when they do it's going to be a bloodbath and a long term guerilla war after the
shooting war..*yikes*
 
What a frickn' stupid analogy. Iran is not Nazi Germany and the Ayatollah isn't Hitler. But that's the kind of crap logic you get from Chicken Hawks.

I am always glad to see people with your political views display the kind of reasoning and civility that is their trademark. I look forward to more or your keen, thoughtful commentary.
 
Well the Egyptians know how to mop up, a little bit. And I don't think they will back down from any Iranian ships. They have said they will put troops on the Ground in Yemen.
they are busy in the Sinai mopping up from Morsi's MuslimBrotherhood..lol
 
Look, make your mind up. Either you want U.S. servicemen on the ground fighting Iran or you don't. After all, didn't you compare it to Europe in 1935?

One way we could maintain a strong military would be for people like you to join.

Was anyone calling for a land war against either Italy or Germany in 1935? If so, historians have never recorded it--but maybe you have secret knowledge.
 
they are busy in the Sinai mopping up from Morsi's MuslimBrotherhood..lol

Yeah they don't care which terrorists or group into Radical Islam. They will bring it to them. MB, ISIS, Hamas, or AQ looks like Egypt is tired of them all. Now they say let us capture some Iranians in Yemen.
 
Yeah they don't care which terrorists or group into Radical Islam. They will bring it to them. MB, ISIS, Hamas, or AQ looks like Egypt is tired of them all. Now they say let us capture some Iranians in Yemen.
gotta love el-Sisi..

It's too bad BO invited a bunch of EMB to the State dept last year and suspended the arms sales after the "coup"
Now Sisis is more then willing to deal with the Russians, and another Obama "legacy" is letting them in
when they were mostly bottled up in Syria (aside from the Mediterranean fleet) from before this.

He's such a nebbish as my ex-Jewish g/f would say..lol
 
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There's only one aggressive, Expansionist Regime in the Region & it's not Iran. You need only read up on the Oded Yinon Plan to dismiss Iran as a serious Regional threat.

It has only been only a few years since we heard the same inaccurate, "Hitler & the Holocaust" rhetoric & hyperbolic cheerleading from the pro War crowd or their deceived disciples. They were mistaken then as well as now.

What we didn't find in "WMDs"etc, we DID find in mangled, mutilated, burned & traumatized young Americans who continue to struggle with missing limbs & the cold-sweats of horrific nightmares.

Because of their inaccuracy, comparisons of Iran with Nazi Germany are as tiresome as they are factually flawed. It's impossible to name one country that Iran has annexed, attacked or invaded nor is Iran's old Jewish community persecuted. While their government is unappealing & fraught with feigned bellicosity, its leaders are neither irrational nor suicidal.

There is nothing alarming about Iran's ships joining in the posturing and surveillance near Yemen. The only increased danger is the heightened opportunity for a "False Flag" operation or provocation from a pro War element. If there is a lethal exchange, it will not have been intentionally caused by Iran.

US & Iranian Navy personnel have assisted each other in Search-and-Rscue operations, are used to & welcome opportunities to meet, exchange small gifts etc. Lemon & sugar coated pistachio nuts are a favorite Iranian treat among US sailors & Marines.

All it takes is a visit to Iran to find that they have a fondness for the American people. It is the egregious double-standard endemic to US Mid East policy that they justifiably resent.



Thanks


Once again, I would like to recommend Andy McCarthy's very fine book, entitled "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America." Leftists' dislike of America, Jews, and western civilization in general gives them common cause with Muslim jihadists. It is no coincidence that the anti-American leftist now disgracing the White House has been so chummy with Jew-haters, or that he has been far more hostile toward Israel than any other U.S. president.
 
gotta love el-Sisi..

It's too bad BO invited a bunch of EMB to the State dept last year and suspended the arms sales after the "coup"
Now Sisis is more then willing to deal with the Russians, and another Obama "legacy" is letting them in
when they were mostly bottled up in Syria (aside from the Mediterranean fleet) from before this.

He's such a nebbish as my ex-Jewish g/f would say..lol



BO allowed the arms transfer to go thru to Egypt recently.

Hey aren't you a Floridian?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-el...on-likely-run-rubios-seat.html#post1064544193

Whats up with this?
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not everywhere but enough public buildings have been bombed out..and the place is a wreck..
I don't know if airlifts would be any more effective then the bombing by SA, and AQAP is taking advantage of the chaos -
they had a prison break recently, and are expanding territory.

That's our real concern - AQAP, although I personally am worried about a proxy war and Iranian hegemony, I agree there isn't much we can or should do about it..
Somehow that Sunni coalition has got to do it, Pakistan (close defense allie of SA) was ready to, but it's Parliment voted no..because of it's Shia population.

It's a cluster for sure, and the region is going to have to do it this time without calling in the calvary (US).
There is no appetite for any US involvement, not do I think we should do so..

SA has apparently taken out a lot of their infrastructure in order to starve them out, at least according to the NPR report i heard late last week. Yemen imports a huge percentage of its food, so a lot of people are going to suffer because of this. but there's probably no way that SA will let us do anything other than to drop bombs.

i'm so sick of their thousand year old holy war, and this is most likely another extension of it. killing each other over religious disagreements is like ****ing for virginity. the futility of it just makes me sad. thanks for letting me rant.
 
BO allowed the arms transfer to go thru to Egypt recently.

Hey aren't you a Floridian?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-el...on-likely-run-rubios-seat.html#post1064544193

Whats up with this?
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ya. "recently" long afer el_Sisi figured out BO isn't reliable for Egypt's security needs.

*oh nos*
Grayson is a pimp. he was my district and lost to a completely unknown Webster
( who is quiet but has the lowest cost office to run in Congress)
then went south a bit to the Disney World district , where the Hispanic vote got him in.

He's a carpetbagger all inside of Florida..:roll:
 
B'smith said:
There's only one aggressive, Expansionist Regime in the Region & it's not Iran. You need only read up on the Oded Yinon Plan to dismiss Iran as a serious Regional threat.
Iran now controls FOUR M-E Capitals and carries on aggression with several groups with several Proxy Wars.
(re 'Shia Cresecent')
The Gulf and Sunni States are Worried about IRAN and it's Nukes, NOT Israel.
This is not a zio-Neocon hang up.

I already debunked your DAILY Mantra of the NON-issue 'Yinon' plan.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...an-start-oil-goods-swap-5.html#post1064528801

Get some New stuff, and Stop GRATUITOUSLY Dragging your 'Israel' hang up into EVERY IRAN String/Post.

Same crap EVERY day/post.

You want to discuss Israel instead of casually/wackily slander it in every post, come on down to the M-E section and face the music.
 
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Iran now controls FOUR M-E Capitals and carries on aggression with several groups with several Proxy Wars.
(re 'Shia Cresecent')
The Gulf and Sunni States are Worried about IRAN and it's Nukes, NOT Israel.
This is not a zio-Neocon hang up.

I already debunked your DAILY Mantra of the NON-issue 'Yinon' plan.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...an-start-oil-goods-swap-5.html#post1064528801

Get some New stuff, and Stop GRATUITOUSLY Dragging your 'Israel' hang up into EVERY IRAN String/Post.

Same crap EVERY day/post.

You want to discuss Israel instead of casually/wackily slander it in every post, come on down to the M-E section and face the music.

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The writer to whom I was responding brought up "aggressive dictatorships" while Iran is neither. I only cited an existing plan of aggression: Oden Yinon Plan which readers are well advised to research more recent & reliable sources themselves instead of relying on your "cherry picked", out dated source

There is nothing new or aggressive about Iranian ships patrolling those waters as they have been doing so since 2008. They are certainly monitoring events in Yemen as are other ships in the area.


“Iran sends warships to monitor Yemen's coast”
Iran sends warships to monitor Yemen's coast ? RT News
EXCERPT “According to Tehran officials, the warships will be protecting a crucial trade route against pirates. THE Iranian Navy has been conducting such patrols since 2008."CONTINUED


The best indicator of Iran's propensity for aggression is its history. You are still unable to name a single country Iran has attacked or invaded.

I've been posting in the M.E. section &, predictably, heard not a note from you.

Your empty threats, dishonest insults & bellicose jargon are forbidden here & serve neither to be truthful, intimidating nor civil.
 
The writer to whom I was responding brought up "aggressive dictatorships" while Iran is neither.
Thousands of Iranian dissenters have perished in Tehran's notorious Evin prison. And perhaps you're too young to remember the bloody murder of Neda Agha Soltan in 2009.

You also seem to forget the hundreds of US military/embassy personnel killed by Hezbollah bombs in Beirut, East Beirut, and Khobar Towers.

Iran also held US embassy staff hostage in Iran for 444 days. Not an aggressive dictatorship? Are you delusional?
 
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