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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Irrelevant.
    You have not explained what the power to regulate interstate commerce has to do with discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation. How is the one relevant to the other, except in your imagination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    You have not explained what the power to regulate interstate commerce has to do with discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation. How is the one relevant to the other, except in your imagination?
    The customer who comes into the repair shop lives in another state.
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    People supported segregation and racism towards blacks by misusing and intentionally (IMO) scriptures, even into the 1960's. And the Bible has lots of passages that have been used to keep women submissive to men and as property. That had been used to discriminate against women for centuries.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no doubt that both the state and the feds can prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation for purely commercial entities.
    Please explain what basis you have for claiming there is no doubt about Congress's authority to prohibit that kind of discrimination in public accommodations. Where has the Supreme Court ever suggested that Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce, which it relies on to prohibit discrimination by race, etc. in public accommodations, would allow it to add sexual orientation to the list of prohibited grounds?

    It is exactly because Congress's authority to do that IS doubtful that a number of states have acted. There is no question that states have inherent authority to prohibit discrimination--including discrimination based on sexual orientation--in their public accommodations laws. The issue before the Supreme Court in its decisions on those laws has not been the states' authority to enact them, but whether they violated some First Amendment freedom.

    When Justice O'Connor distinguished between commercial and expressive associations in her concurring opinion in Roberts v. Jaycees, she was talking about how far a state, in that case Minnesota, could go to prevent discrimination in various public accommodations by law without violating the freedom of association. Nothing either she or the majority said had anything to do with whether Congress has power under the Commerce Clause to prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You might not be, but the Constitution rules over interstate commerce, which includes travel.
    The Constitution does not purport to rule over travel. That's a severe twisting of the interstate commerce clause

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Please explain what basis you have for claiming there is no doubt about Congress's authority to prohibit that kind of discrimination in public accommodations. Where has the Supreme Court ever suggested that Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce, which it relies on to prohibit discrimination by race, etc. in public accommodations, would allow it to add sexual orientation to the list of prohibited grounds?

    It is exactly because Congress's authority to do that IS doubtful that a number of states have acted. There is no question that states have inherent authority to prohibit discrimination--including discrimination based on sexual orientation--in their public accommodations laws. The issue before the Supreme Court in its decisions on those laws has not been the states' authority to enact them, but whether they violated some First Amendment freedom.

    When Justice O'Connor distinguished between commercial and expressive associations in her concurring opinion in Roberts v. Jaycees, she was talking about how far a state, in that case Minnesota, could go to prevent discrimination in various public accommodations by law without violating the freedom of association. Nothing either she or the majority said had anything to do with whether Congress has power under the Commerce Clause to prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation.
    The commerce clause does not prohibit congress from regulating discrimination based on sexual orientation
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The commerce clause does not prohibit congress from regulating discrimination based on sexual orientation
    But the Tenth Amendment does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The customer who comes into the repair shop lives in another state.
    So what? Federal law does not prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation. Only Michigan law applies to a garage owner there, and it no more prohibits him from declining to serve a non-resident homosexual than a resident one.

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    "Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers"

    BWHAHAHAHAHA!

    com one come all, calling all bigots! I love this! I said many times and Ill say it again, don't these mentally retarded bigoted morons know that in the end they are simply helping equal rights win, just like bannings did?? So awesome, I love the sweet sweet irony!
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The commerce clause does not prohibit congress from regulating discrimination based on sexual orientation
    Of course the Commerce Clause, Article I, sec. 8. cl. 3, does not prohibit that. It is not a prohibition of anything, but rather a positive grant of power to Congress. The question is whether the Commerce Clause authorizes what you claim.

    I asked you to tell us where the Supreme Court has ever suggested Congress's power to regulate commerce "among the several states" includes the power to prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation. You claimed the federal government has authority to do that, but you cannot explain where that authority comes from.

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