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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    As I acknowledged, anyone is free to criticize laws in states other than his own, as much as he wants. Write editorials, contribute money to organizations that share your views, march in rallies denouncing the laws--say whatever you please. The state whose law was being criticized could not even infringe the right of its own residents to speak, let alone do that to persons outside its jurisdiction. Far from having distaste for you or any American exercising his freedom of speech, I strongly support it.
    Boy, you sure have done a 180. You want from calling it "un-american" to supporting it!
    The readiness to scold and meddle in the business of people in other states is part of a general impulse statists have to centralize government--a totalitarian bent. It it anything but liberal, and it shows a disregard of individual liberties that is un-American to the core.

    Being a conservative, I don't presume to try to tell people in other states how they should live. The laws and policies they choose to live by do not concern me. If most people in a state want to make laws that require dog owners to diaper their pets in public places, prohibit retail stores from opening on Sundays, allow public accommodations to refuse service based on sexual orientation, or any other damn thing, that's their lookout.
    If you, or any other right wingers, choose to not exercise the rights they have to engage in the political process, that is more than fine by me. Maybe it explains why the right is on the losing side so often. So I won't try to dissuade you from that choice.

    What I took issue with was your claim that the laws of one state are no business of the people of another - a claim which is obviously untrue no matter how many times you try to draw attention away from your mistake with talk about "authority", "statists" or what choices you have made.

    To the extent that the laws of one state affect the people of another, those law *are* the business of those people. To misportray these people exercising their right to engage in politics as "scolding" and "meddling" is merely an pitiful attempt to use emotive language because rational arguments will not support your argument which is in contradiction to american principles.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Jerry, continuing to deny why everyone has criticized this person in this thread, and the discussions being held won't change the topic of the thread which is fact his discrimination of gays.
    You're the only person on this thread who seems to think that. Roguenuke even just changed the object from gays to religion in exploring the subject.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Subject. Verb. Object. I think you're starting to catch on, the subject of this thread is a repair shop owner, not gays.


    Right, it's about a repair shop owner. I think you got it.
    The subject of a sentence and the subject of this thread are two different matters.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How would that be different than discriminating based on religion? In order to discriminate against someone in retail based in their religion, they either have to do something that makes a person assume they are of a certain religion or say something that does.
    Really, two guys dropping off a car isn't out of place in the least. Even if they're both wearing wedding rings. If the shop banns Muslims, they're not going to know you're a Muslim unless you announce it. If the shop banns armed citizens, they aren't going to know you're armed unless you carry openly. A few years ago there was a gun shop which banned liberals, and had an immediate influx of both conservative who supported the policy and liberals who wanted to get away with braking it. The shop had record sales that year. This is exactly how Rush Limbaugh stays in business, the exact same marketing trick.

    Aside from imposing an undue burden on the public when enforced, these policies are just silly in that they're largely unenforceable in the first place because the owner can't identify someone braking it.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're the only person on this thread who seems to think that. Roguenuke even just changed the object from gays to religion in exploring the subject.
    Jerry, rogue is discussing DISCRIMINATION OF GAYS. Trying to distort her words now just makes your desperation to avoid your silly comparison seem less absurd.

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    The subject of a sentence and the subject of this thread are two different matters.
    He doesn't get that yet.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Jerry, rogue is discussing DISCRIMINATION OF GAYS. Trying to distort her words now just makes your desperation to avoid your silly comparison seem less absurd.



    He doesn't get that yet.
    If you think I've misquoted her post, you're welcome to report me.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not a fan of boycotts but I hope this guy is run out of business by boycotting him so hard he will feel like the worlds greatest idiot for saying what he did about gays.

    And if that does not work I would go and crowdfund me a company with the express business plan of running this guy out of business by opening a repair shop across the road from him and do everything he does for half the prize. But that would be me if I had money to burn
    That's actually a really good idea...I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to outperform an unlicensed repair shop that turns away customers and threatens to do a **** job

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And That's Legal


    Oh boy, more contraversy. I think there are lots of guns in Michigan, so business will likely boom. No pun intended.
    My favorite part of this story was the follow up by a local attorney who specializes in bankruptcy who said if the owner follows through on his promise to intentionally sabotage the repair of customers cars, he will eventually need his services.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, causing undue expense is grounds in court for a discrimination suit.
    That's a farce. What if you came to my store and I had to close for the day due to illness, would you sue me?

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We're not in court.
    He suggested he would do something deliberately harmful. Just desiring to do so is a sin. He's supposed to love the sinner (not the sin) and turn the other cheek. Not serve self-indulgent retribution.
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