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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Maybe he is Christian. At least, I think mechanics can be both. Or are you saying that they cannot handle that much at once?
    If he's not the gay customer's priest then it's not for him to worry about.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nonsense. The laws in other states are the business of people in other places.
    Anyone is free to criticize or condemn another state's law, of course. But it is basic to the system of government the Constitution designs that states are sovereigns, and no one outside a state has authority to dictate to its residents what laws and policies they must make.

    The readiness to scold and meddle in the business of people in other states is part of a general impulse statists have to centralize government--a totalitarian bent. It it anything but liberal, and it shows a disregard of individual liberties that is un-American to the core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Anyone is free to criticize or condemn another state's law, of course. But it is basic to the system of government the Constitution designs that states are sovereigns, and no one outside a state has authority to dictate to its residents what laws and policies they must make.

    The readiness to scold and meddle in the business of people in other states is part of a general impulse statists have to centralize government--a totalitarian bent. It it anything but liberal, and it shows a disregard of individual liberties that is un-American to the core.
    I don't think you know what "totalitarian" means.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Anyone is free to criticize or condemn another state's law, of course.
    True, but that's not what I said.

    But it is basic to the system of government the Constitution designs that states are sovereigns, and no one outside a state has authority to dictate to its residents what laws and policies they must make.
    True, but that's not what you said. You said that it's not the business of people who live outside the state. The post of yours that I responded to said nothing about out of staters having any authority, so my response had nothing to do with authority

    The readiness to scold and meddle in the business of people in other states is part of a general impulse statists have to centralize government--a totalitarian bent. It it anything but liberal, and it shows a disregard of individual liberties that is un-American to the core.
    The laws of other states *are* literally my business and I will meddle as much as I choose to. The authoritarian statists on the right might prefer to have the state use force to silence me, but the constitution guarantees me the right to be involved in the making of laws in other states. Your distaste for my exercising my constitutional rights is an example of the rights hatred of individual liberty and is un-american.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers"

    Subject. Verb. Object. Basic sentence structure, brought to you by literacy 101.

    The subject of this thread is the Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner. Interchanging objects is how we explore a subject, this is why people are bringing up the banning of various different things. Another poster in this thread also changed the verb, arguing that someone should open a repair shop and cater to gays. This thread is not about gays or gay rights, but the Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner.
    Jerry, you can try as much as you want to change it but the subject of discussion is the discrimination of gays. If you don't like it, may I suggest you go elsewhere?

    If you're otherwise functional I see no reason why you should be barred from military service, marriage, or adoption, just because you have a birth defect. Born homosexuality, as distinguished from a sex-related stress disorder, is a birth defect caused by a hormone imbalance during pregnancy resulting in one's brain interpreting pheromones as if it were the opposite sex. That doesn't mean a gay person should be blocked from a happy and productive life.

    When those bans are enacted by ballot measure, yes. Amendment 10 sends marriage to the states to decide for themselves, so when a people decide, that's should be the final word until another ballot measure repeals it. My state has such a ban and they did it without my vote. I've never voted in favor of a SSM ban.

    The "freedom to choose who you love" argument favors incest as much as it favors anything else. It's a failed argument.
    Jerry, your positions are homophobic. Building up on them won't change that fact.

    Irrelevant.
    Of course it is completely relevant as that is what legitimizes the ban against guns at publish establishments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't think you know what "totalitarian" means.
    Really? I'm sure I know just what it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Really? I'm sure I know just what it means.
    Not if your definition of it is what you posted earlier you don't.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Jerry, you can try as much as you want to change it but the subject of discussion is the discrimination of gays.
    Clearly it's not, as demonstrated with basic reading comprehension and the contributions of others on this thread. I realize you want this to be about gays, but it's about businesses and a business's ability to discriminate. Participants of this thread have demonstrated an interest in exploring just what a business can discriminate against, from gays to 'coloreds' to religions and armed citizens and more.

    If you actually read OP's source you will see that the business owner's policy regarded more than gays in terms what he was willing to allow and disallow. You say my gun reference is off-topic yet this business owner, in the same posting about gays, made a strong stance on armed citizens as well.

    As you know I do enjoy exploring the topic of gay issues and so I look forward to your own thread for that subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Jerry, your positions are homophobic.
    If I had a fear of sameness then I couldn't function in the military; merely wearing a uniform would be impossible to accomplish. I also couldn't work in a lab since most of our tests, procedures and reports have to be exactly the same as everyone else, except results, so as to control for the initial conditions.

    Accusing people of homophobia is just something stupid people say when they run out of arguments.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Clearly it's not, as demonstrated with basic reading comprehension and the contributions of others on this thread.
    What "others" understood is irrelevant to what the thread is about, Jerry.

    I realize you want this to be about gays, but it's about businesses and a business's ability to discriminate. As you know I do enjoy exploring the topic of gay issues and so I look forward to your own thread for that subject.
    Only it isn't, Jerry. It's about discrimination of gays.

    If I had a fear of sameness then I couldn't function in the military; merely wearing a uniform would be impossible to accomplish. I also couldn't work in a lab since most of our tests, procedures and reports have to be exactly the same as everyone else, except results, so as to control for the initial conditions.
    Jerry, what you fear is irrelevant to the fact that you hold homophobic positions.

    Accusing people of homophobia is just something stupid people say when they run out of arguments.
    Jerry, nobody has run out of arguments. Your belief that guns and sexual orientation are the same thing is absurd. It's been exposed as absurd and you're trying your hardest to avoid it. They're not the same no matter how hard you try to claim they are. One is an innate trait, the other is an object you can leave at home. Trying to paint anybody who acknowledges homophobia as "stupid" just makes you look desperate to try and reframe the argument and make your position seem 'rational'. Your homophobic positions have never been rational, Jerry.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And That's Legal


    Oh boy, more contraversy. I think there are lots of guns in Michigan, so business will likely boom. No pun intended.
    What I'm having trouble with is under what possible set of circumstances would a person's sexuality come up at a car repair shop? It's not like the guy is providing services to a wedding where it's kind of obvious if there are two grooms and no bride.

    I mean, does he hook his customers up to a lie detector and ask "are you gay" before he fixes their cars?
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