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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually the "distortion" of religion has come about in the degree of acceptance of what has traditionally been interpreted as severe and deadly sin. It is the gay or abortion movements that are aberrant in that respect, whether you are partial to such acts or not.
    It's true that homosexuality is a sin...in Christianity. I don't know why a mechanic should worry about it, though.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Jerry, read the title and get back to me. It is in fact about gays.
    Apparently the participants in this thread have decided to make it about much more than gays.

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    Then leave them outside the shop for 5 mins, Jerry.
    No.

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    The same applies for guns.
    Really just leave the gun sitting outside the shop on the sidewalk for 5 minutes, huh?

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    Can someone leave skin color and sexual orientation outside for 5 mins while the person goes in for a 5 minute visit? No.
    Irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your marital problems don't really concern me. What I do know are your positions on homosexuality. They're not exactly friendly to them.
    That's why I fully support gays serving openly in the military, gays adopting, gays getting married, because I'm so inhospitable towards gays. rrriiiiggghhhT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, business owners have a responsibility to ensure the safety of their customers. If they feel guns threaten the safety of their customers, they are more than allowed to ban them because a gun owner can leave their weapon at home or any number of places.
    Businesses are also allowed to ban gays. Shoot yourself in the foot again. You see, OP's story is about what should be the rule, not what is the rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Likewise, businesses that restrict the entry of children usually do so because of the content of their merchandise. Others are allowed to do so because they provide services which minors can't legally access.
    The buisness or the child would suffer a harm, right, that's what I've been saying. If there's a harm then there's a valid reason. "Feelings" are not a valid reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Again, nobody here is discussing discrimination itself but discrimination of a group of people based on a trait they can't in any sense of the word distance themselves from.
    If that's true then I don't know why people are bringing up race. This thread is about businesses discriminating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can't stop being gay for 5 mins while you go in the store. You can't leave gayness in a car. You can't leave gayness with a babysitter. You can't even tie it to a parking meter while you go about your business. So no matter how hard you try, Jerry, they're not the same thing.
    Being black and being Muslim are not the same thing, either, but you can't discriminate against them. So once again: irrelevant.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Apparently the participants in this thread have decided to make it about much more than gays.
    Still doesn't change what the thread is about. Discrimination of gays. In any case, deciding you don't want guns in your establishment and discriminating against gay is not the same thing.

    No.
    Too bad, business owners can deny service to gun owners as there is no right to open carry, and guns can in fact be left at home.

    Really just leave the gun sitting outside the shop on the sidewalk for 5 minutes, huh?
    Nope, you can leave it at home. Nothing is forcing you to carry it with you into the store.

    Irrelevant.
    It's entirely relevant as that is one of the reasons why some forms of discrimination are acceptable/legal/justified and others are not.

    That's why I fully support gays serving openly in the military, gays adopting, gays getting married, because I'm so inhospitable towards gays. rrriiiiggghhhT.
    Jerry, you've called homosexuality a birth defect, you've defended state bans on gay marriage, you've compared homosexuals wanting to get married - to incest. Pretending that you don't hold homophobic positions at this point is a bit late in the race isn't it?

    Businesses are also allowed to ban gays. Shoot yourself in the foot again. You see, OP's story is about what should be the rule, not what is the rule.

    The buisness or the child would suffer a harm, right, that's what I've been saying. If there's a harm then there's a valid reason. "Feelings" are not a valid reason.
    Jerry, continuing to compare gays to people you bring along for the ride, won't change the fact that they're not the same.

    If that's true then I don't know why people are bringing up race. This thread is about businesses discriminating.

    Being black and being muslum are not the same thing, either, but you can't discriminate against them. So once again: irrelevant.
    Jerry, that's kind of the point. You can't leave any of those things at home just like a person can't leave their sexual orientation at home. That's why it's illegal to discriminate against them. Why are you so against extending the same benefits that religious people and races get to homosexuals? Why do you insist on comparing them to guns or children? No matter how hard you try, the comparisons simply don't match up.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Still doesn't change what the thread is about. Discrimination of gays.
    "Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers"

    Subject. Verb. Object. Basic sentence structure, brought to you by literacy 101.

    The subject of this thread is the Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner. Interchanging objects is how we explore a subject, this is why people are bringing up the banning of various different things. Another poster in this thread also changed the verb, arguing that someone should open a repair shop and cater to gays. This thread is not about gays or gay rights, but the Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Jerry, you've called homosexuality a birth defect...
    If you're otherwise functional I see no reason why you should be barred from military service, marriage, or adoption, just because you have a birth defect. Born homosexuality, as distinguished from a sex-related stress disorder, is a birth defect caused by a hormone imbalance during pregnancy resulting in one's brain interpreting pheromones as if it were the opposite sex. That doesn't mean a gay person should be blocked from a happy and productive life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ...you've defended state bans on gay marriage...
    When those bans are enacted by ballot measure, yes. Amendment 10 sends marriage to the states to decide for themselves, so when a people decide, that's should be the final word until another ballot measure repeals it. My state has such a ban and they did it without my vote. I've never voted in favor of a SSM ban.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ...you've compared homosexuals wanting to get married - to incest...
    The "freedom to choose who you love" argument favors incest as much as it favors anything else. It's a failed argument.

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    You can't leave any of those things at home just like a person can't leave their sexual orientation at home.
    Irrelevant.
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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Either let businesses discriminate as they please and stfu about it, or, don't let businesses discriminate against anyone. There should be one standard that everyone has to play by.
    Request denied.

    We will continue to pick and choose which forms of discrimination to allow and which to forbid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Request denied.

    We will continue to pick and choose which forms of discrimination to allow and which to forbid.
    Coin the phrase "always carry, never tell".

    It's hard to find pity for people who suffer less discrimination than I do, thus my indifference to gays.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Coin the phrase "always carry, never tell".

    It's hard to find pity for people who suffer less discrimination than I do, thus my indifference to gays.
    I am indifferent to your difficulties
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's true that homosexuality is a sin...in Christianity. I don't know why a mechanic should worry about it, though.
    Maybe he is Christian. At least, I think mechanics can be both. Or are you saying that they cannot handle that much at once?

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... And That's Legal


    Oh boy, more contraversy. I think there are lots of guns in Michigan, so business will likely boom. No pun intended.
    Maybe he just needs money? The Pizza place in Indiana made a million bucks.

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    Re: Michigan Car Repair Shop Owner Says He Will Turn Away Openly Gay Customers ... An

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, because the only possible way to give anyone money is through a gofundme page
    It makes it much easier. Don't ya think?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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