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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And he's screwing his union constituents to do it.
    ... what Union constituents? Unions barely exist anymore.

    Besides, American manufacturing won't be much affected by this.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Kinda odd. Wonder why a centrist would promote centrist policies. This trade deal is just another example of it.
    It helps cement economic power. A strong bloc to China.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... what Union constituents? Unions barely exist anymore.

    Besides, American manufacturing won't be much affected by this.
    Tell that to the unions that funded Obama's campaign.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Calling Obama a centrist, is that the new talking point?
    No at all. I've stated it, probably since I've been here.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    He is quite to the left of Clinton.
    Ehhh I would say not at all. Please explain..
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Okay we're going to flip-flop and now argue for income inequality in this case?
    How is this "arguing for income inequality"? What?
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    We sorely need the global mechanisms in place to see to the fair(er) distribution and consumption of the planet's resources. That we haven't already is why, for example, we're well on our way in destroying the planet's biodiversity and being the next mass extinction event. I think I can safely say that most would agree the best mechanism is a global mixed-market economy that's encouraged to be on the freer side of things, but still kept in check by the well-tested governmental protections we need to protect ourselves. Global trade deals are the first step in that direction. If American see depressed wages because jobs are being farmed out to the global poor who are living on less a couple dollars a day, yeah that will really suck for us Americans, but that goes a long way to fixing the global wealth disparity, and it's far better than living in an isolated world of haves and have-nots who are at each other's throats fighting over scarcity.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes it is important but the point was this makes it even worse by essentially establishing global monopoly rights.
    An example they gave: "Take software and pharmaceuticals: Foreign firms serving their home market can make larger profits if they are not forced to pay large royalties to American holders of intellectual property monopolies. Following the intellectual property harmonization that is a standard part of too many U.S. trade agreements, these foreign firms are not just unable to export output back to the United States without paying these royalties, they are often not even allowed to continue serving their own home market without making these royalty payments.13 This has the effect of boosting the rise in exportable prices in global markets that tends to follow tariff-cutting trade agreements. In turn, this increases the amount of domestic reshuffling of production in the U.S. economy, amplifying the regressive redistribution caused by trade.14,15"
    Foreign firms should not be using stolen intellectual rights in the first place. Just because they're protected right now by being outside the jurisdiction of certain courts doesn't put them in the right.

    Regardless I believe I read the pharmaceuticals were given a exemption in certain cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh yes. "Free trade" has done wonders by allowing those Mexican farm workers play a part in the "global economic citizenry", after essentially all of their jobs were killed... Same with American manufactures. Or the global sweatshop industry. Its not like past free trade deals have literally reinforced the "elite", and its not like this one wont do the exact same thing of reinforcing the elite. Its not like this deal was written and negotiated behind close doors by the elite..
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No at all. I've stated it, probably since I've been here.
    Maybe to a socialist he is centrist.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe to a socialist he is centrist.
    Or if you just look through the hyperpartisan rhetoric and look at the policies...
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or if you just look through the hyperpartisan rhetoric and look at the policies...
    Policies have to get through Congress, that has nothing to do with his personal politics.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hahahaahahahahaha..........Obamacare ain't centrist.
    Sure it is, its a Rep's idea.
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