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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Uh, no, Clinton signed NAFTA.
    North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1990 among the three nations, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed the agreement in their respective capitals on December 17, 1992.[5]The signed agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.
    What Clinton signed was the implementation law. Clinton revised the agreement to include labor and environmental protections. This is a fact you can't revise.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

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    North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    What Clinton signed was the implementation law. Clinton revised the agreement to include labor and environmental protections. This is a fact you can't revise.
    So you gonna blame Bush for this one, too?

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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

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    Well if NAFTA was not enough, get ready for TPP. The TPP has been called "NAFTA on steroids", and is expected to have vast negative consequences for American manufacturing, and the middle and working classes. As a recent study on the implication of TPP stated, "Instead, the TPP looks like it will just constitute one more step toward using commercial agreements to maximize three things: (1) the damage done through global integration to the wages of most American workers;
    Okay we're going to flip-flop and now argue for income inequality in this case?

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    (2) the rents earned by those holding a monopoly on intellectual property claims; and (3) the influence that the preferences of global economic elites have on the policymaking of American trading partners." (The Trans-Pacific Partnership Is Unlikely to Be a Good Deal for American Workers | Economic Policy Institute). Now we are just one step closer for this deal to become official trade policy.
    (2) Intellectual property rights are important. Artists deserve to be paid for their work, as do inventors and companies. Those that are in the arts and in the business of R&D would go broke if we all stole their work the minute they released it to the public. Just because a poor country is poorer, it doesn't mean that they should have a right to steal a novelist's book or a company's gadget.

    There's obviously an argument to be had as to how unfair the intellectual property rights are (... being extended to 120 years now or the freedoms we've given to buy and sell them), but that's an argument about the severity of our policies and that shouldn't kill the idea that we want to protect intellectual property globally just because the US and EU's policies are severe.

    (3) Pish posh. It a great step in the direction of letting the global economic citizenry to have an effect on everyone's domestic policies (environment, human rights, worker's rights); instead of our current mis-mash situation of international laws and treaties, and non-recognition of each other's laws that makes it near impossible for anyone but the "global economic elites" to navigate and have influence on the world.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So you gonna blame Bush for this one, too?
    Oh my jesus, nobody blamed Bush specifically for anything. I made a correction to your erroneous statement. It was signed by Bush. That is a fact. If you can't even deal with your mistake, you're welcome to move right along and ignore my statements. You seem to be on your casual faux outrage anyways. We've no time for that.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why is Obama championing it?
    To resuscitate our influence in East Asia. China has nearly double the scale of our investments. India isn't far behind.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

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    Okay we're going to flip-flop and now argue for income inequality in this case?
    How is this "arguing for income inequality"? What?

    (2) Intellectual property rights are important. Artists deserve to be paid for their work, as do inventors and companies. Those that are in the arts and in the business of R&D would go broke if we all stole their work the minute they released it to the public. Just because a poor country is poorer, it doesn't mean that they should have a right to steal a novelist's book or a company's gadget.

    There's obviously an argument to be had as to how unfair the intellectual property rights are (... being extended to 120 years now or the freedoms we've given to buy and sell them), but that's an argument about the severity of our policies and that shouldn't kill the idea that we want to protect intellectual property globally just because the US and EU's policies are severe.
    Yes it is important but the point was this makes it even worse by essentially establishing global monopoly rights.
    An example they gave: "Take software and pharmaceuticals: Foreign firms serving their home market can make larger profits if they are not forced to pay large royalties to American holders of intellectual property monopolies. Following the intellectual property harmonization that is a standard part of too many U.S. trade agreements, these foreign firms are not just unable to export output back to the United States without paying these royalties, they are often not even allowed to continue serving their own home market without making these royalty payments.13 This has the effect of boosting the rise in exportable prices in global markets that tends to follow tariff-cutting trade agreements. In turn, this increases the amount of domestic reshuffling of production in the U.S. economy, amplifying the regressive redistribution caused by trade.14,15"

    (3) Pish posh. It a great step in the direction of letting the global economic citizenry to have an effect on everyone's domestic policies (environment, human rights, worker's rights); instead of our current mis-mash situation of international laws and treaties, and non-recognition of each other's laws that makes it near impossible for anyone but the "global economic elites" to navigate and have influence on the world.
    Oh yes. "Free trade" has done wonders by allowing those Mexican farm workers play a part in the "global economic citizenry", after essentially all of their jobs were killed... Same with American manufactures. Or the global sweatshop industry. Its not like past free trade deals have literally reinforced the "elite", and its not like this one wont do the exact same thing of reinforcing the elite. Its not like this deal was written and negotiated behind close doors by the elite..
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Lawmakers Unveil Secretly Negotiated Deal To Fast-Track Free Trade



    Today we’re meeting in a hearing that was noticed 12 hours before it began on a bill we haven’t seen with witnesses, I assume, who know more than we do, and frankly, will never tell us,” said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), who noted that previous trade deals have gotten extensive airings in Congress before lawmakers had to vote on them.
    We can’t fast track fast-track, that’s a complete abdication of our responsibilities,” Brown said.

    “This process is not good,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the heir-apparent to Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.). “We are supposed to vote on TPA, tie our hands and not vote on amendments, before we’ve seen what the [Trans-Pacific Partnership] is. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

    Schumer was referring to the fact that the fast-track authority was being pursued even before the details of the trade deals themselves are known
    how insane is this 'process'?

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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    To resuscitate our influence in East Asia. China has nearly double the scale of our investments. India isn't far behind.
    And he's screwing his union constituents to do it.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Kinda odd. Wonder why a centrist would promote centrist policies. This trade deal is just another example of it.
    Calling Obama a centrist, is that the new talking point?
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because Obama is just another centrist Democrat just like Clinton... Not the left wing radical many of you played him out to be.
    He is quite to the left of Clinton.
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