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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because Obama is just another centrist Democrat just like Clinton... Not the left wing radical many of you played him out to be.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You think anybody in Congress gives a **** about exporting our regulation? There is a concerted effort in Congress to destroy unions and dilute workers rights down to bare bones. These 'free trade' agreements are all about giving jobs to people who won't complain about making $2 an hour and destroying the standard of living Americans are use to. It's a Democrat-Republican effort and not a single person in either camp is interested in stopping it.
    I would say your point is somewhat true. Here is an example of both some Dems and some Republicans speaking out against it More Pushback On Multiple Fronts Against TPP and Fast-Track

    One of the two most vocal opponents that I can name off the top of my head are Warren and Sanders. Sanders was just at a labor rally yesterday speaking out against the agreement. The problem is none of this really gets much media attention.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    To add a little balance to the discussion here so far, Obama has been dragging his feet on trade deals with both the Pacific Rim countries and with Europe. In the meantime, Canada has signed a trade agreement with the EU, pending EU ratification and has signed several trade agreements with Pacific Rim countries in advance of a broader agreement of Pacific states.

    Unless America comes to realize that the world is passing it by and that more open and free commerce throughout the world is the wave of the future, you'll be left with watching Pacific and European countries and their companies using Canada and Mexico, as NAFTA partners, for entry into the American market without any quid-pro-quo for America and it's companies into those markets.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I would say your point is somewhat true. Here is an example of both some Dems and some Republicans speaking out against it More Pushback On Multiple Fronts Against TPP and Fast-Track

    One of the two most vocal opponents that I can name off the top of my head are Warren and Sanders. Sanders was just at a labor rally yesterday speaking out against the agreement. The problem is none of this really gets much media attention.
    Warren may be against it, but she's not really 'the party' which is really what I meant by 'nobody'. As much as I like Warren's honesty on labor issues, IMO if she really wanted to make waves and stand behind her convictions, she'd go up against Hillary but as it stands, we won't be seeing that anytime soon. She'd force the rest of the party to take sides on the issue. So we're stuck with Republicans who love this kind of ****, and Democrats who'll get it passed to fatten their pockets. Nobody really has an interest in putting their political careers on the spotlight over this.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hahahaahahahahaha..........Obamacare ain't centrist.
    Kinda odd. Wonder why a centrist would promote centrist policies. This trade deal is just another example of it.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Warren may be against it, but she's not really 'the party' which is really what I meant by 'nobody'. As much as I like Warren's honesty on labor issues, IMO if she really wanted to make waves and stand behind her convictions, she'd go up against Hillary but as it stands, we won't be seeing that anytime soon. She'd force the rest of the party to take sides on the issue. So we're stuck with Republicans who love this kind of ****, and Democrats who'll get it passed to fatten their pockets. Nobody really has an interest in putting their political careers on the spotlight over this.
    So Clinton pushes for NAFTA, and Obama pushes for this, and it's Republicans that are the ones that love it?

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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So Clinton pushes for NAFTA, and Obama pushes for this, and it's Republicans that are the ones that love it?
    Your selective anger at my post criticizing both parties exposes the underlying hackery of your positions.

    Adding: NAFTA was signed under Bush. Not Clinton.
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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your selective anger at my post criticizing both parties exposes the underlying hackery of your positions.

    Adding: NAFTA was signed under Bush. Not Clinton.
    Uh, no, Clinton signed NAFTA.

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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You think anybody in Congress gives a **** about exporting our regulation? There is a concerted effort in Congress to destroy unions and dilute workers rights down to bare bones. These 'free trade' agreements are all about giving jobs to people who won't complain about making $2 an hour and destroying the standard of living Americans are use to. It's a Democrat-Republican effort and not a single person in either camp is interested in stopping it.
    no, i don't think that very many in congress care much about the common worker. in fact, many are actively anti-labor. they become populists right before election day, and then go right back to being corporatists, because that's who has enough money to purchase them. the US political system needs a major overhaul at every level, and it won't happen because the politicians themselves are the ones who can initiate that overhaul.

    but since i have the luxury of proposing a more ideal arrangement on a message board, my proposition is no free trade deals with countries that don't adopt the OSHA-type rules and pollution controls that our businesses here have to follow. that would theoretically make the playing field a little more level, and it might result in better labor conditions for workers in developing nations.

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    Re: Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact

    Wait. I thought the evil Republicans hated Obama so much they would do anything just to stymie him, even if it went against their previously held positions? What are they doing giving him greater authority when he asks for it?
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-16-15 at 03:40 PM.

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