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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    I just can't get over the 'log cabin' as I just keep picturing actual log cabins. I can't be the only one doing that or am I?
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Or gay, like the Log Cabins.
    Yeah, the GOP embraces the logs, just look at how the rank and file GOPers embrace LGBT issues.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I've been intimately familiar with senior leaders in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and it pains me immensely that these valuable, bright, and courageous men and women are so obviously rejected by huge portions of the party. At best they are held up as baubles to trot out in front of the media when accusations of bigotry are hurled their way and more usually they are ignored or shunted aside as though they are a dirty little secret. The insularity of the aging social conservative mass which exerts so much control over the party is horrendously destructive. I'm still stunned when I attend conventions or go to local GOP events and I'm confronted with the same slogans about gay marriage or 'traditional marriage' that I heard ten years ago. It's mind boggling that so many people haven't been able to realize that the world has changed and that they need to bury the god damn hatchet. It's why we'll nominate a candidate who will be too afraid to accept SSM in 2016 and one of the many reasons we'll be successfully tarred as the party of reactionaries and cultural dinosaurs. It might also be one of the reasons we lose.

    But by all means have your convention. We all know gays can't be conservative people of faith.
    But here's the thing - I don't think the GOP cognoscenti ever really thought they'd wind up in this situation. But I think one of the strongest factors was the rise of right-wing radio, where the pundits were (and to some extent still are) so powerful that if a Republican politician dared to say something that pundit didn't like, that politician's days were numbered. The pundits - and by extension the politicians - began to play a great game of "I'm more conservative than the other guy" (and the election of a black guy whose middle name was Hussein didn't help)...and suddenly it became so easy for us liberals. All we have to do is support a good, sensible position, and because it's us liberals supporting it, the Republicans are forced by the conservative base to oppose it: if liberals support it, it must be wrong, no matter how right it is.

    Examples abound. There was a time when Republicans were not opposed to addressing global warming, were not in lockstep against abortion, were not bound by Islamophobia...and of course there's the Heritage-Foundation-idea strongly supported by Newt Gingrich that we now call "Obamacare".

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    But here's the thing - I don't think the GOP cognoscenti ever really thought they'd wind up in this situation. But I think one of the strongest factors was the rise of right-wing radio, where the pundits were (and to some extent still are) so powerful that if a Republican politician dared to say something that pundit didn't like, that politician's days were numbered. The pundits - and by extension the politicians - began to play a great game of "I'm more conservative than the other guy" (and the election of a black guy whose middle name was Hussein didn't help)...and suddenly it became so easy for us liberals. All we have to do is support a good, sensible position, and because it's us liberals supporting it, the Republicans are forced by the conservative base to oppose it: if liberals support it, it must be wrong, no matter how right it is.

    Examples abound. There was a time when Republicans were not opposed to addressing global warming, were not in lockstep against abortion, were not bound by Islamophobia...and of course there's the Heritage-Foundation-idea strongly supported by Newt Gingrich that we now call "Obamacare".

    "I'm more conservative than the other guy." Until the Right can break out of that particular game, they're doomed to become ever tightly bound to dogma...and ever smaller.
    It had more to do with the republican base responding badly to the republicans and what they were doing and openly supporting. Republicans were basically alienating their base and their base responded by attempting to force the party back to what they supported.

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You got a problem with these people because of their religious beliefs. Period. And because they denied a group of people who support something against those beliefs you call that bigotry. It's a private, religious organization get over it.
    Last I checked, it's still not illegal to be a Christian university, which is hosting this event. I'm not sure I understand why it's bad for them to decide who to have at their own convention. That happens all day every day all over the world.

    Whether anyone agrees with them or disagrees with them for not wanting the Log Cabin group to participate, it's still their party.

    I still think this group in Colorado is probably pretty cool.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You got a problem with these people because of their religious beliefs. Period. And because they denied a group of people who support something against those beliefs you call that bigotry. It's a private, religious organization get over it.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Or gay, like the Log Cabins.
    Which is why they've been oh so welcome at CPAC, hm? As opposed to the John Birch Society, which was one of CPAC's sponsors?
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Last I checked, it's still not illegal to be a Christian university, which is hosting this event. I'm not sure I understand why it's bad for them to decide who to have at their own convention. That happens all day every day all over the world.

    Whether anyone agrees with them or disagrees with them for not wanting the Log Cabin group to participate, it's still their party.

    I still think this group in Colorado is probably pretty cool.
    Tres you get it. You don't have to agree with someone to respect another's conscience. God I wish there were millions more like you.

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is why they've been oh so welcome at CPAC, hm? As opposed to the John Birch Society, which was one of CPAC's sponsors?
    What does CPAC have to do with this?

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I just can't get over the 'log cabin' as I just keep picturing actual log cabins. I can't be the only one doing that or am I?
    It's supposed to invoke the image of Lincoln.

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