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Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

Summerwind said:
So they're turning away anyone dressed in multiple fibers, or who may have had more than one marriage, who may have committed adultery, or who may have stolen or cheated for monetary gain....

I don't think so. They don't care about the word of god. They're just grossed out by the concept of sodomy. I actually am grossed out by it as well, hence I don't participate though I hear it's all the rage with young women these days to be sodomized. However, me being grossed out by something only means I shouldn't do it, it doesn't mean I should judge others who choose to do it.

There's not one ounce of "caring about the word of god," it's flat out bigotry.
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Of course it's bigotry. They don't approve of same sex marriage, and they don't make a secret of it...and they aren't flexible. That's why they didn't want a group that promotes same sex marriage at their event.

And whatever their reasons are - they think God doesn't approve, or their hate sodomy, or they think being gay makes you blind, or whatever... - they're free to have those ideas. I'm not a believer of religion but billions of people the world over do believe. That's their right.

Yes, they're probably turning away any groups that want to have a booth there to promote adultery, thievery, cheating for monetary gain. You can see who usually exhibits at their show. I don't see any groups who exhibit to spread these messages.
 
shrubnose said:
Organizers of a conservative conference in Denver this summer have told a gay Republican group it cannot have a booth at the event.

Read the article here: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event - US News

What happened to the GOP's big tent? Any ideas on that?
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It's not a GOP event. It's a group of social conservatives in a meeting organized by a Christian university. Log Cabin Republicans are very much a part of the GOP.

Is anyone against gay marriage going to be allowed to participate in the DNC? I very much doubt it. The caterwalling you'd get from the activists would be unbearable.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The GOP is a very big tent indeed...as long as you're a white anglo-saxon conservative (heterosexual) protestant who believes in the inalienable right of everyone to think precisely the way you do (and that anyone who doesn't is somehow less American than you are).
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Or gay, like the Log Cabins.
 
Sherman123 said:
I've been intimately familiar with senior leaders in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and it pains me immensely that these valuable, bright, and courageous men and women are so obviously rejected by huge portions of the party. At best they are held up as baubles to trot out in front of the media when accusations of bigotry are hurled their way and more usually they are ignored or shunted aside as though they are a dirty little secret. The insularity of the aging social conservative mass which exerts so much control over the party is horrendously destructive. I'm still stunned when I attend conventions or go to local GOP events and I'm confronted with the same slogans about gay marriage or 'traditional marriage' that I heard ten years ago. It's mind boggling that so many people haven't been able to realize that the world has changed and that they need to bury the god damn hatchet. It's why we'll nominate a candidate who will be too afraid to accept SSM in 2016 and one of the many reasons we'll be successfully tarred as the party of reactionaries and cultural dinosaurs. It might also be one of the reasons we lose.

But by all means have your convention. We all know gays can't be conservative people of faith.
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You seem surprised that a Christian group isn't in favor of gay marriage.
 
Phys251 said:
Yes because we're oppressing you by opposing you. :roll:
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You got a problem with these people because of their religious beliefs. Period. And because they denied a group of people who support something against those beliefs you call that bigotry. It's a private, religious organization get over it.
 
I just can't get over the 'log cabin' as I just keep picturing actual log cabins. I can't be the only one doing that or am I? :doh
 
Sherman123 said:
I've been intimately familiar with senior leaders in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and it pains me immensely that these valuable, bright, and courageous men and women are so obviously rejected by huge portions of the party. At best they are held up as baubles to trot out in front of the media when accusations of bigotry are hurled their way and more usually they are ignored or shunted aside as though they are a dirty little secret. The insularity of the aging social conservative mass which exerts so much control over the party is horrendously destructive. I'm still stunned when I attend conventions or go to local GOP events and I'm confronted with the same slogans about gay marriage or 'traditional marriage' that I heard ten years ago. It's mind boggling that so many people haven't been able to realize that the world has changed and that they need to bury the god damn hatchet. It's why we'll nominate a candidate who will be too afraid to accept SSM in 2016 and one of the many reasons we'll be successfully tarred as the party of reactionaries and cultural dinosaurs. It might also be one of the reasons we lose.

But by all means have your convention. We all know gays can't be conservative people of faith.
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But here's the thing - I don't think the GOP cognoscenti ever really thought they'd wind up in this situation. But I think one of the strongest factors was the rise of right-wing radio, where the pundits were (and to some extent still are) so powerful that if a Republican politician dared to say something that pundit didn't like, that politician's days were numbered. The pundits - and by extension the politicians - began to play a great game of "I'm more conservative than the other guy" (and the election of a black guy whose middle name was Hussein didn't help)...and suddenly it became so easy for us liberals. All we have to do is support a good, sensible position, and because it's us liberals supporting it, the Republicans are forced by the conservative base to oppose it: if liberals support it, it must be wrong, no matter how right it is.

Examples abound. There was a time when Republicans were not opposed to addressing global warming, were not in lockstep against abortion, were not bound by Islamophobia...and of course there's the Heritage-Foundation-idea strongly supported by Newt Gingrich that we now call "Obamacare".

"I'm more conservative than the other guy." Until the Right can break out of that particular game, they're doomed to become ever tightly bound to dogma...and ever smaller.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But here's the thing - I don't think the GOP cognoscenti ever really thought they'd wind up in this situation. But I think one of the strongest factors was the rise of right-wing radio, where the pundits were (and to some extent still are) so powerful that if a Republican politician dared to say something that pundit didn't like, that politician's days were numbered. The pundits - and by extension the politicians - began to play a great game of "I'm more conservative than the other guy" (and the election of a black guy whose middle name was Hussein didn't help)...and suddenly it became so easy for us liberals. All we have to do is support a good, sensible position, and because it's us liberals supporting it, the Republicans are forced by the conservative base to oppose it: if liberals support it, it must be wrong, no matter how right it is.

Examples abound. There was a time when Republicans were not opposed to addressing global warming, were not in lockstep against abortion, were not bound by Islamophobia...and of course there's the Heritage-Foundation-idea strongly supported by Newt Gingrich that we now call "Obamacare".

"I'm more conservative than the other guy." Until the Right can break out of that particular game, they're doomed to become ever tightly bound to dogma...and ever smaller.
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It had more to do with the republican base responding badly to the republicans and what they were doing and openly supporting. Republicans were basically alienating their base and their base responded by attempting to force the party back to what they supported.
 
vesper said:
You got a problem with these people because of their religious beliefs. Period. And because they denied a group of people who support something against those beliefs you call that bigotry. It's a private, religious organization get over it.
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Last I checked, it's still not illegal to be a Christian university, which is hosting this event. I'm not sure I understand why it's bad for them to decide who to have at their own convention. That happens all day every day all over the world.

Whether anyone agrees with them or disagrees with them for not wanting the Log Cabin group to participate, it's still their party.

I still think this group in Colorado is probably pretty cool.
 
vesper said:
You got a problem with these people because of their religious beliefs. Period. And because they denied a group of people who support something against those beliefs you call that bigotry. It's a private, religious organization get over it.
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tres borrachos said:
Last I checked, it's still not illegal to be a Christian university, which is hosting this event. I'm not sure I understand why it's bad for them to decide who to have at their own convention. That happens all day every day all over the world.

Whether anyone agrees with them or disagrees with them for not wanting the Log Cabin group to participate, it's still their party.

I still think this group in Colorado is probably pretty cool.
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Tres you get it. You don't have to agree with someone to respect another's conscience. God I wish there were millions more like you.
 
americanwoman said:
I just can't get over the 'log cabin' as I just keep picturing actual log cabins. I can't be the only one doing that or am I? :doh
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It's supposed to invoke the image of Lincoln.
 
Henrin said:
It had more to do with the republican base responding badly to the republicans and what they were doing and openly supporting. Republicans were basically alienating their base and their base responded by attempting to force the party back to what they supported.
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Wrong. Guy, the "republican base" is not the Republican PARTY. The majority of Republicans did support the positions I just listed. Go read the 1992 GOP platform sometime.
 
vesper said:
Tres you get it. You don't have to agree with someone to respect another's conscience. God I wish there were millions more like you.
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I'm non-religious by choice. So is my husband. Our 3 kids were never baptized, or Christened, or anything (something my mother in law resents me for to this day). Our choice, all of it. But I respect that others follow religion. And I don't believe in belittling them for it.

And in this case, the attacks have extended to attacking them for who they want to have at to their own parties. Nobody's rights are being trampled, nobody is forcing their religion down anyone's throats, nobody is being refused a damn cake....and still they get attacked, as evidenced by the vitriol in the posts on here.
 
tres borrachos said:
It's a convention for conservative people of faith.

Looks like the GOP's big tent got bigger if there's a organized group of gay Colorado Republicans. I'll bet they're actually a pretty cool group of people.
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Only if cool is a synonym for self-loathing. Who wants to be part of a club with a bunch of people that think you are an abomination.
 
tres borrachos said:
What does CPAC have to do with this?

The Log Cabin Republicans are gay. And Republicans.
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What is CPAC? Only the biggest annual event for GOP politicians, that's all - and MUCH bigger and more newsworthy than the event mentioned in the OP. But of course since bringing them up only shows the GOP as becoming ever more homophobic, that's not something you want to hear...and so your dismissal of them.
 
americanwoman said:
I just can't get over the 'log cabin' as I just keep picturing actual log cabins. I can't be the only one doing that or am I? :doh
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I just can't get over the fact that a gay group called themselves after Log Cabins. Historically speaking the time period when Log Cabins would have been at all used wasn't kind to homosexuals. Just sayin'.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
What is CPAC? Only the biggest annual event for GOP politicians, that's all - and MUCH bigger and more newsworthy than the event mentioned in the OP. But of course since bringing them up only shows the GOP as becoming ever more homophobic, that's not something you want to hear...and so your dismissal of them.
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We aren't talking about CPAC. Did you stumble into the wrong thread?
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm non-religious by choice. So is my husband. Our 3 kids were never baptized, or Christened, or anything (something my mother in law resents me for to this day). Our choice, all of it. But I respect that others follow religion. And I don't believe in belittling them for it.

And in this case, the attacks have extended to attacking them for who they want to have at to their own parties. Nobody's rights are being trampled, nobody is forcing their religion down anyone's throats, nobody is being refused a damn cake....and still they get attacked, as evidenced by the vitriol in the posts on here.
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TB, the problem with making discrimination legal is that a little bit of discrimination is like being a little bit pregnant. If someone can refuse to serve a gay person because religion, then what stops that person from refusing to serve Muslims, or blacks, all because religion?

I've seen and done enough discrimination - I know first-hand where it leads. You really don't want to go there.
 
Summerwind said:
So they're turning away anyone dressed in multiple fibers, or who may have had more than one marriage, who may have committed adultery, or who may have stolen or cheated for monetary gain....

I don't think so. They don't care about the word of god. They're just grossed out by the concept of sodomy. I actually am grossed out by it as well, hence I don't participate though I hear it's all the rage with young women these days to be sodomized. However, me being grossed out by something only means I shouldn't do it, it doesn't mean I should judge others who choose to do it.

There's not one ounce of "caring about the word of god," it's flat out bigotry.
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Like I said in another post, most people don't proudly wear the badge of being a sinner. [which we all are] These people of faith don't want to play nice, they shouldn't have to.
 
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