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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    If your arguments were better, you would not need to rely on personally attacking people who disagree with them. And your statement about what the Supreme Court might do is not an argument at all.



    No premise in involved--just basic constitutional law. All the powers the states did not either cede to the United States in the Constitution, or deny to themselves, are reserved to the states. The notion that the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment ever meant its guarantee of equal protection to apply to homosexual marriage does not even pass the laugh test, but statists do not give a damn about the Constitution. For them it is just a tool for making their experiments in centralized social engineering look legitimate.



    Let me get out my violin. Everyone in this country is deprived of some freedom by his state's laws every day, without those laws violating anything in the Constitution. Next you'll be trying to tell us the vehicle statute that makes you stop at red lights deprives you of your liberty of movement without due process of law.



    The phrase is Justice Scalia's, from Lawrence v. Texas, and it is an accurate description. The fact you would slander him as an "ignorant bigot" shows just how weak your game is.


    "Today's opinion is the product of a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct."
    I always find it interesting that proponents of 'basic' Constitutional Law sweepingly assume that the majority of jurists, opinions, and treatises over the past century (or longer) are an aberrance. Instead it's their reversion to the state of affairs of some point in the 19th Century that is the only true and accurate form of Constitutional interpretation. Their basic reactionary nature conceal's their lack of knowledge of the Constitution, the Amendments, and their interpretations. The Constitution doesn't really mean that much to them. If we passed an amendment guaranteeing SSM tomorrow they'd be the first one's advocating a new secession. They are troglodytes who use Constitutional fidelity as a smoke screen.

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    However the implication and the message is: "We don't want to be associated with you. We only want your vote." There's an underlying message as well and that is that "gay people can't be Christians and we do not accept them as equals."

    If anything the GOP is the "Christian" Party. Tea Partisans dominate. There is no denying that and there shouldn't be any surprise that Log Cabin would be told "No, not with us."
    That's what you read into it because you want to believe it... This is the roots of bigotry
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I always find it interesting that proponents of 'basic' Constitutional Law sweepingly assume that the majority of jurists, opinions, and treatises over the past century (or longer) are an aberrance.
    I have no idea what specific jurists, opinions, or treatises your sweepingly vague indictment refers to. But none of us who has studied constitutional law would assume anything so nonsensical.

    Instead it's their reversion to the state of affairs of some point in the 19th Century that is the only true and accurate form of Constitutional interpretation.
    I don't know why you specify the 19th Century. An originalist interpretation of any provision in the Constitution looks to what the text was generally assumed to mean at the time it became law. That could be as early as 1789 or as recent as the 27th Amendment in 1992.

    Their basic reactionary nature
    That sounds a lot like a term Marx might have used--sort of like "bourgeoisie" or "class struggle."

    conceal's their lack of knowledge of the Constitution, the Amendments, and their interpretations.
    Yeah--that's why all that constatutional stuff on the bar exam was so confusing for me. If only I'd had your knowledge of those things!

    The Constitution doesn't really mean that much to them.
    You must be thinking of the millions of statist dim bulbs who are now taking up space in the U.S., who share their president's contempt for the Constitution and for this country. As a conservative, I understand very well that the Constitution is the foundation of all our personal liberties.

    If we passed an amendment guaranteeing SSM tomorrow they'd be the first one's advocating a new secession. They are troglodytes who use Constitutional fidelity as a smoke screen.
    That's at least good for a laugh. The very reason statists try to persuade judges to rewrite the Constitution to authorize their utopian social schemes is that they know full well they could never authorize them in the only legitimate way, which is by constitutional amendment.

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How many conservative Christians support the Democratic Party?

    Fill us in.
    New Poll Shows Evangelicals Vote Democrat Too | Religion ...

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    If your arguments were better, you would not need to rely on personally attacking people who disagree with them.
    It is not an attack nor is it a disagreement. To state that striking down laws is concocting a right is just plain stupid.

    Let me get out my violin.
    Don't bother, there is already enough whining. Instead set aside your prejudices and use some objectivity.

    Everyone in this country is deprived of some freedom by his state's laws every day, without those laws violating anything in the Constitution.
    Yes, equally applied to all. Can you come up with something relevant?

    The phrase is Justice Scalia's, from Lawrence v. Texas, and it is an accurate description. The fact you would slander him as an "ignorant bigot" shows just how weak your game is.
    No the contrary. I believe that there is the word of God and then immediately following is that of Justice Scalia.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Yeah--that's why all that constatutional stuff on the bar exam was so confusing for me.
    Is that how you justify your arguments? By having been able to pass an exam? I have news for you, there are plenty of incompetents in every human endeavor who have passed even more stringent exams. Then there are those professionals who let their "work" peak for them, because they all know that boasting about ones credential on an anonymous internet forum is only worth the as much as a failed argument.

    As a conservative, I understand very well that the Constitution is the foundation of all our personal liberties.
    Yet here you are advocating against the very thing.

    That's at least good for a laugh. The very reason statists try to persuade judges to rewrite the Constitution to authorize their utopian social schemes is that they know full well they could never authorize them in the only legitimate way, which is by constitutional amendment.
    Right, because the freedom of some and their pursuit of happiness should be subject to mob rule. Thank God that there are still some people who do understand the real meaning of the Constitution.
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    Of course the third world dregs are breeding like rabbits.

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    New Poll Shows Evangelicals Vote Democrat Too | Religion ...

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    Apr 16, 2009 - Contrary to the conventional wisdom that the GOP has a lock on white evangelical voters, 1 in 3 evangelicals voted in the Democratic primary, ...
    Impossible. I read on the internet (well, on this message board) that those nasty bigoted Evangelicals are the GOP base. They all vote for the GOP.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Impossible. I read on the internet (well, on this message board) that those nasty bigoted Evangelicals are the GOP base. They all vote for the GOP.
    I know just how incredulous you truly are.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That's what you read into it because you want to believe it... This is the roots of bigotry
    Ahhhh, no. Either gay Republicans were welcomed to exhibit at the event or they were not. Why weren't Log Cabin Republicans welcomed to exhibit?










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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ahhhh, no. Either gay Republicans were welcomed to exhibit at the event or they were not. Why weren't Log Cabin Republicans welcomed to exhibit?
    It was not a Republican event.
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