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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    I don't even get why gay Republicans try to connect with their party on anything other than economic issues. Social conservatives don't like them. This is a fact proven time and time again through legislation, statements, and party policy. It doesn't matter how much you support small government if the person you're going home with has the same gender as you. To the average social conservative, gay Republicans simply are an unimportant and insignificant percentage of the Republican party. One whose vote is not required.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You have to believe in sinning to be a sinner. I don't, so I'm not.
    Then why are are asking questions about the Bible and referring to sinful acts?

    And trust me. we are all sinners.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    It's not surprising in the slightest, but it does three things, but does only two things successfully.

    1) Log Cabin Republicans get attention.

    2) Log Cabin Republicans fight a battle to be seen as conservatives.

    3) Log Cabin Republicans fight a battle to be seen as legitimate conservatives to normally unsympathetic (and even antagonistic) liberals.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't even get why gay Republicans try to connect with their party on anything other than economic issues. Social conservatives don't like them. This is a fact proven time and time again through legislation, statements, and party policy. It doesn't matter how much you support small government if the person you're going home with has the same gender as you. To the average social conservative, gay Republicans simply are an unimportant and insignificant percentage of the Republican party. One whose vote is not required.
    I'll try and take this one. As I said earlier in the thread I have a lot of friends in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and people always expect a gay republican to fit a particular mold. People tend to assume that they are basically just bohemians concerned about taxes when in fact they run the gamut. There are senior officers in both organizations who are genuine pro-life evangelical christians, and plenty in the rank and file as well. Do they represent the majority or even a large proportion? No. But they are there. The organizations pursue these conventions because their goal is to gain acceptance for their members in the Republican Party, all of their members. Furthermore the goal isn't just to steer the GOP ship of state towards a more socially liberal place, its to try and foster acceptance with all of the big factions within the party and thus widen the tent. Is it a fools errand to try and knock down the door at these things? Maybe, maybe not. But I remember when GOProud got its first booth at CPAC it stirred the pot, brought a lot of attention, and ended up winning some support to the cause from high profile donors, media figures, and the rank and file.

    I long for the day that gay and lesbians are really and fully accepted in the Republican Party. Until that day I'm not going to cast aspersions on whatever efforts these organizations take to further the cause.

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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. I see. When GOP convention A tells the Log Cabin Republicans, it shouldn't matter at all if GOP convention B does the same thing...even when GOP convention B is much bigger and more newsworthy than GOP convention A.

    Is that what you're trying to say?
    Actually, no, that isn't what I was trying to say. What I was trying to say was that this thread wasn't about CPAC. It's about a Christian university in Colorado hosting its annual convention (convention A) and declining a request from the Log Cabin Republicans to have a booth there. No idea what convention B is. Nor do I care. Focus, please.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The big tent has never been bigger than a bivy sack. It is a primarily a White Southern Christian Party and has been for a while.
    Well, I'm a white non-religious woman from the northeast. Does that mean I shouldn't try to get under the tent?

    I'm also a conservative in the top 5% of earners who doesn't practice religion but fully supports the right others to do so, and who loves big profitable businesses. I'll bet the Democrats would welcome me with open arms.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So people who wear multiple fibers are showing up in single fiber clothes or naked? Wow. And a 60 year old man with a 24yo trophy girlfriend on his arm isn't obviously a committer of adultery?

    You've definitely pointed out one thing, those in those conventions are beyond stupid and unaware of their surroundings.
    So every 60 year old who is seen in the company of a woman 30+ years his junior is married to someone else and is committing adultery. Yes, and we all know how common it is for 24 year old women to be attracted to 60 year old men, and we all know how much married men love to flaunt their adultery in public.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well, I'm a white non-religious woman from the northeast. Does that mean I shouldn't try to get under the tent?

    I'm also a conservative in the top 5% of earners who doesn't practice religion but fully supports the right others to do so, and who loves big profitable businesses. I'll bet the Democrats would welcome me with open arms.
    You are also in the New England. Not exactly the epicenter for today's GOP. You should spend sometime in the bible belt to see what most of today's Republican base looks like.
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'll try and take this one. As I said earlier in the thread I have a lot of friends in both GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans and people always expect a gay republican to fit a particular mold. People tend to assume that they are basically just bohemians concerned about taxes when in fact they run the gamut. There are senior officers in both organizations who are genuine pro-life evangelical christians, and plenty in the rank and file as well. Do they represent the majority or even a large proportion? No. But they are there. The organizations pursue these conventions because their goal is to gain acceptance for their members in the Republican Party, all of their members. Furthermore the goal isn't just to steer the GOP ship of state towards a more socially liberal place, its to try and foster acceptance with all of the big factions within the party and thus widen the tent. Is it a fools errand to try and knock down the door at these things? Maybe, maybe not. But I remember when GOProud got its first booth at CPAC it stirred the pot, brought a lot of attention, and ended up winning some support to the cause from high profile donors, media figures, and the rank and file.

    I long for the day that gay and lesbians are really and fully accepted in the Republican Party. Until that day I'm not going to cast aspersions on whatever efforts these organizations take to further the cause.
    That's great and all but it all does is say that some gays REALLY want to be accepted by Republicans on other issues. I don't question that at all, what I question is: What is the point? If Democrats today were in favor of every single environmentalist policy I supported but not in favor of maintaining civil rights legislation, I wouldn't vote for them. Gays that want to be included by Republicans are basically saying: "Listen, I'm okay with all of your laws which seek to discriminate against me, and I want to be accepted by you even though we don't agree on this particular issue which you support en masse". It's absurd. Why support a party who relies homophobia to get votes?
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    Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You are also in the New England. Not exactly the epicenter for today's GOP. You should spend sometime in the bible belt to see what most of today's Republican base looks like.
    Oh there are still a lot of Republicans up here. Especially in NH. Hell, they just elected a Republican governor in MA. I've been to the south many times, I know what they look like down there. Just like the ones up here, actually. 2 legs, 2 eyes, 2 arms..generally speaking, of course.

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